New from Italy

[Mvedovetto]

Hi to all!
I'm Italian and I'm glad to subscribe this forum. I'm an engineer in automation and automotive electronics. I experienced in CNG electronics accessories. I hope we'll have interesting discussion about CNG vehicles. I had several CNG vehicles since 1984. The last is a Kia Opirus (in USA I think it's named Amanti) with 137 liters GNG cilyndres.
Excuse me for my english: some mistakes can occur, so, please, forgive me in advance.

Bye

Marco

[CNGLO]

Re: New from Italy

Benvenuto Marco. E' un piacere vedere qualcuno dal'Italia in questo forum. Non preoccuparsi sugli sbagli. Come vede, li faccio anche quando scrivo in italiano. Ci son altri qui per i quali l'inglese non e' la lingua prima. Ci sono anche quelli che sono stati nati americani ma che non possono scrivere tanto bene in inglese.

Di nuovo: benvenuto!

[vmora]

Re: New from Italy

Bienvenido...Welcome...

[vmora]

Re: New from Italy

Hi to all!
I'm Italian and I'm glad to subscribe this forum. I'm an engineer in automation and automotive electronics. I experienced in CNG electronics accessories. I hope we'll have interesting discussion about CNG vehicles. I had several CNG vehicles since 1984. The last is a Kia Opirus (in USA I think it's named Amanti) with 137 liters GNG cilyndres.
Excuse me for my english: some mistakes can occur, so, please, forgive me in advance.

Bye

Marco

Hi Marco:

Can you post some photos of your CNG vehicles and their fuel capacity. Also, what is the availability of refueling stations in Italy.

Victor

[Mvedovetto]

Re: New from Italy

Hi Marco:

Can you post some photos of your CNG vehicles and their fuel capacity. Also, what is the availability of refueling stations in Italy.

Victor

Hi Victor and hi to all,
and really thank you for your welcome!!!

In attachment you can find some pictures of my car (kia opirus/amanti) that has 137 liters / 23 kg (about 36 gal / 53 lb) cilynder capacity: it reaches about 200miles with full cylinders

I posted also photo of my CNG onboard computer!

I have no photo of older ones, but I can say you that I had (all aftermarket equipped CNG vehicles):

Chrysler Voyager 2.4ltr
Mercedes 300 E
Ford Scorpio 2.0ltr
Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1.6ltr
Lancia Fulvia Coupè 1.3 ltr.

I had also in my family (wife, father, mother...)

Jaguar X-type 2.4ltr
Mercedes S320
Ford Ka 1.3 ltr

In Italy we reached more than 620 refuelling stations and CNG vehicle numer is increasing more and more: up today we have about 420.000 CNG cars.

Just today our gov decided by law to promote CNG vehicles: I hope it's true.

Bye

Marco

[vmora]

Re: New from Italy

Hi Marco:

Thanks so much for your info. I am so glad that CNG is being promoted as an alternative fuel to petroleum gasoline in Italy.

I purchased my first CNG car back in October 2008 and so far love the savings.

Keep in touch,

Victor

[Mvedovetto]

Re: New from Italy

Hi Victor,
what kind of vehicle did you get? May you post some ohotoes about it?
I didn't search all over the website, may you tell me about refuelling CNG pressure? Here in Italy/Europe we reach about 220 bar (3200 psi).

Please tell me where is a place on forum to discuss about these technical aspects... Perhaps I'm going OT

[jetboatjohnny]

Re: New from Italy

That's amazing Italy has 3 times as many NGVs than USA. I still believe that if everyone here knew about NGVs there would be a lot more interest. Slowly more stations are popping up. I dont mind being a minority in my city, I never have to wait to get fuel, my local station is a lonely (but very reliable) place. Currently paying 1.791/GGE

[lvcng]

Re: New from Italy

Ciao Marco! How much is natural gas as compared to gasoline in your part of Italia? Here is Las Vegas, Nevada USA, CNG is $1.99, just up from $1.79 for a US gallon and Gasoline (regular octane 89) is $2.73 in US dollars. My ancestors are from Monteleone de Spoleto in Umbria, where are your located? Vannozzi, Tom

[Mvedovetto]

Re: New from Italy

Ciao...Hi all, Johnny and Tom!
Sorry... I'm in late... I try to answer to all:
Italy has more than 450.000 CNG vehicles and more than 1.350.000 LPG vehicles!!!
Problem here in Italy is the number and distribution of refuelling stations (about 650): distribution is not so good so drivers prefer diesel (really a lot!!!) or LPG (about 2200).

Something of very strange happened in last times: till 2 years ago using CNG you could save near 67% compared to gasoline. Today CNG is more expensive: ratio is going down near to 50%... And this is very strange becuse no taxes are applied on CNG by gov.

LPG price is going down, but you can save about 50%. Actually the same for CNG.

Anyway number of CNG vehicles is growing up perhaps because CNG is more "enviroment-friend"... I want to think so!

There is another big phenomen: in Italy every car manufacturer (the first was Chevrolet) offers CNG/LPG vehicles directly out of factory; e.g. Fiat, Volkswagen, Opel offer mainly CNG vehicles; Chevrolet, Subaru, Dacia (=Renault).. offer mainly LPG.

Prices in these months are very slowly going down. CNG in average is 0,820€/Kg and gasoline is 1,280€/liter. My car (3500cc): 13,2 km/kg (CNG) and 11,1 km/liter (gasoline).

About me: I live less than 80km far from Venice.
Umbria is really an amazing place: I went several times for holidays. Just last week I was in Bevagna