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    http://www.utah.gov/governor/news_me...l?article=2125

    Governor says SUV's gas leak a reminder of the need for Properly Converted Natural Gas Vehicles
    Nov 14, 2008


    Some self-conversion kits don't meet EPA standards

    Salt Lake City - Governor Jon Huntsman is deeply concerned about the potential for a harmful trend after learning about a family who experienced near fatal consequences due to installing a faulty compressed natural gas retrofit.

    "We are all grateful that the accident did not cause serious injury or worse. Unfortunately, some who seek a more economical means of transportation can fall prey to unscrupulous sales tactics," said Huntsman. "Natural gas vehicles are an important part of reducing air pollution and I encourage them. But when converting vehicles to compressed natural gas combustion system it should be EPA certified and installed by a certified mechanic."

    With natural gas vehicles in short supply, people are turning to conversion kits and not all of them available for sale have been certified to meet Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) standards. It's also important to have the systems installed by a certified mechanic.

    "If it's not certified, it's both dangerous and dirty," said Rick Sprott, executive director of the Utah Department of Environmental
    Quality.

    Those who drive certified natural gas cars qualify for a one-time tax credit from the state as a reward for helping reduce air pollution. But it needs to be EPA certified in order to receive the tax credit.

    Officials are working to speed up the availability of EPA-certified retrofit kits and provide additional refueling natural gas stations along the Wasatch Front. In the meantime, Governor Huntsman is assembling a group of officials from state agencies and local health departments to increase public awareness of the dangers of improperly installed equipment and find ways to make the certified kits more available to the public. Also, automobile owners can learn about properly installing the certified kits by taking courses at the Salt
    Lake Community College.
    Last edited by John Mitton; 11-15-2008, 09:47 PM.
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    Re: Governor Huntsman Statement

    ...near fatal consequences due to installing a faulty compressed natural gas retrofit.
    I don't quite understand - was the hardware faulty, or did the installer mess it up? Or does anyone know?

    Officials are working to speed up the availability of EPA-certified retrofit kits and provide additional refueling...
    If government is involved, I'm sure timeliness is first on their minds...

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      Re: Governor Huntsman Statement

      I can almost tell you what happened. #1 I'm sure the crush fitting to the tank valve were not tight, even when you think they are tightr they're not, That was probably the culpret of the leak. Otherwise if the tank was not holding CNG because not connected, the pump would have kept running and the news said 3 minutes. So a connection can be assumed but it leaked so a bad connection can also be assumed. 2nd and most certain is the fittings and valve were not bagged, if they were it would have vented the leak out and under the vehicle.
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        The Utah State Highway Patrol is in the process of rewriting the safety inspection for CNG cars. These new safety standards will go into effect January 1st, 2009. As soon as they send me the copy I will post it here on CNGchat.com
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          Since I live and work in a state that requires certification of CNG installers, how many other states require the same? The EPA does not certify the installation for safety, only the final product for emissions. What criteria is/are the state DPS troopers using for inspections? Who is training them?

          It takes a sharp eye from an experienced technician to determine a properly made compression fitting, or to recognize that the tanks are installed with the proper retention strength, or that the tubing is indeed Stainless Steel 304 or better, or that the fittings are Stainless Steel 316, or that a safety valve is rated for the proper pressure, or that the high pressure regulator, filling receptacle, or tanks are all rated for the same pressure, and so on. How can one assume that a DPS trooper will have the same knowledge?

          Several years ago, I was asked to inspect a fleet of converted CNG vehicles. I found expired Nitrogen cylinders used as as Type 1 cylinder, brake line tubing with brass flare ends, a welding high pressure regulator, a Fisher household low pressure regulator, and a modified Impco mixer, with no air cleaner. The fueling receptacle was a Hansen hydraulic coupling (not that uncommon in the late 80's) but no backflow check valve was used, anywhere. Out of a fleet of 30 vehicles, they all failed the first inspection, and not one was repaired to standards after my third trip. The "conversion shop" did not show up for any subsequent repairs and just took the money and ran. The customer finally pulled all conversions off and ran gasoline (South Texas, 1991).

          One online company is offering CNG conversions that even they claim are not EPA compliant, nor are the cylinders DOT recognized. The high pressure tubing appeared to be steel with single compression fittings, also of steel.

          Franz

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            Franz,

            I've seen the tubing that comes in some of the off-shore kits, and talked to one of the company reps. They say that are using high pressure seemless carbon steel tubing that meet ISO standards for use in Europe or South America. This tubing is covered with a plastic or vinal sleeve.

            In looking at some installations, the installer had drilled a hole in body for a tubing pass-through. When I saw the installation, the covering had rubbed against the unprotected hole and the covering was alread compromised allowing for rust to set in - a time bomb. When ask, the individuals said they will install gromets later. They didn't even know about bulkhead connector.

            I will be an up hill battle

            Larrycng

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              Re: Governor Huntsman Statement

              Yes it is going to be a battle, but I think last week we made a huge step in the right direction. Let’s just hope with public awareness and the state finally recognizing the problem we are on the right path.
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