CNG Prices

[marthur22]

Does anyone have information about Clean Energy CNG prices before and after they have taken over the CNG refueling stations in : Texas, Colorado, Ariz. and California?

[Curtis]

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According to CE their business model calls for pricing CNG about $.50 a gge less than gasoline. The exception seems to be that if nearby competition exists they will price at or below the competitors price.

[blueice]

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Same marketing as the ethanol sellers..

[jblue]

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The exception seems to be that if nearby competition exists they will price at or below the competitors price.

Except in Oklahoma.

[marthur22]

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Does CE have a station in Oklahoma?

[CraziFuzzy]

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Does CE have a station in Oklahoma?

I was under the impression that ONG ran pretty much all the stations in OK.

[John Mitton]

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Does CE have a station in Oklahoma?

Yes, CE re-built and now runs the station at OKC airport.

[Lakewood90712]

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The C.E. station at OKC is $1.99. It's $2.50 in CA. Including California Road Tax, and also the Insane Sales/Local Tax close to 10% , it comes out about the same.

[Tax Counsel]

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Actually, CNG fuel taxes are very low in California.

Sales Tax

No sales tax is due IF the fuel is sold from a compression system connected to a pipeline.
Sales tax is due when the compression system is NOT connected to a pipeline (i.e., LNG or CNG derived from LNG source).

See, http://www.boe.ca.gov/news/pdf/cardlock-selling-CNG.pdf

Fuel Use Tax

Fuel use tax on CNG is also much lower than traditional fuels. Homefueling CNG users may pay an annual permit fee of $36. Fuel purchased from a commercial station pays 7¢ per 100 cubic feet measured at standard pressure and temperature (14.73 pounds per square inch at 60 degrees Fahrenheit). See, http://www.boe.ca.gov/pdf/pub12.pdf

According to Wikipedia (read: potentially unreliable source), "One GGE of natural gas is 126.67 cubic feet." That would equate to Fuel Use Tax of about 8.87¢ per gge.

Contrast that tax rate with the 18¢ per gallon imposed on Diesel and Gasoline. See, http://www.boe.ca.gov/info/fact_sheets/diesel_fuel.htm and http://www.boe.ca.gov/info/fact_shee...r_veh_fuel.htm

[thomasstuart]

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Currently the leading nations adopting CNG around the world is as follows;
World Standing Country Vehicles Fuelling Stations
1 Argentina 1.5 million 1,400
2 Brazil 1.1 Million 1,200
3 Pakistan 1.0 Million 1,000
4 Italy 0.4 Million 500
5 India 0.25 Million 200
6 USA 130,000 1,300
7 Iran 115,000 140
8 China 97,000 360
9 Ukraine 67,000 150
10 Egypt 63,000 100
11 Colombia 60,000 90
12 Bangladesh 55,000 120
13 Bolivia 45,000 60
14 Venezuela 44,000 150
15 Russia 42,000 210
16 Armenia 38,000 60
17 Germany 33,000 650
18 Japan 25,000 300
19 Canada 20,000 220

[Gerben]

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Your number for Iran is heavily outdated. They are over 1 mln now. Cars without CNG are not for sale in Iran.

[blueice]

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Nice stats, Thomas! I see that Europe, UK and America has a lot of work ahead of them...

[BiggJohn]

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What cause the spike in So Cal Gas pump prices in the last week?

Does anyone have an idea what their pricing strategy is? They have large variances from station to station in the same general area.

[Lakewood90712]

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It is the normal increase during winter. So Cal Gas price is regulated. The price will fall in summer for the regulated utility stations, and rise for C.E, because the C.E. follows gasoline price.

http://socalgas.com Go the the website , under "Regulatory" look up the ngv tarrif , and you will find the price is wholesale cost of gas + transmission charge (about $ .08 per therm, not gge) + about Compression surcharge ( about $.74 per therm) . The P.G. and E. tarrif has the compression surcharge included in the "Transmission" cost .Also ,the federal tax reduction of $.32 per gge expired,. I do not know if so cal gas was reducing the pump price , or keeping that 32 cents per gge.

[MotorCityCNG]

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Current Michigan price (has been steady for 2 years) is $1.94