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  • #16
    Re: Questar CNG to increase 50 cents per gallon

    How do you get people to change........ you make it lucrative enough for consideration. How does sprint market their phones? They do it on price. Verizon does it on service. AT&T uses the almighty iphone. For all the harping on reducing our dependence on foreign oil, which we continue to get burned on every other decade, this is not a step in the right direction.

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    • #17
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      Originally posted by wberrier View Post
      It appears this bill was decided by nothing other than party association.
      The majority of this bill has nothing to do with CNG subsidy. I assume the nay's on this bill was for that reason. It would be interesting to see what the vote would be if the CNG subsidy was isolated. Either way, government has failed us, AGAIN.
      I'm going to email Hatch to see what his position on the CNG portion of this bill is. If he answers I'll let ya know.

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      • #18
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        Originally posted by rtry9a View Post
        You guys like living on a govt subsidy? The problem with our country is that everyone thinks they should be subsidized (on welfare). If an idea is good, it should stand on its own; we should gladly pay the full fair market price for our fuel, period. Our problem is with stupid EPA rules and their unintended consequences, and those who profit from them, not Questar.
        The majority of the food you eat is subsidized by the government and cheap labor from Mexico/Central America. You're complicit in taking a government subsidy. Taxes, fines, subsidies - these all determine who the winners and losers are. They determine the economic and moral priority of the Nation and your commmunity. "The Invisible Hand" is a farse. Just as direct democracy is. Markets are manipulated just as voting blocks are.

        Natural gas and coal are America's strength as far as energy resources is concerned. Oil stands on its own because it has received subsidies for decades - through tax breaks.

        http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...eadlinesEurope

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        • #19
          Re: Questar CNG to increase 50 cents per gallon

          Originally posted by desimundo View Post
          The majority of the food you eat is subsidized by the government and cheap labor from Mexico/Central America. You're complicit in taking a government subsidy. Taxes, fines, subsidies - these all determine who the winners and losers are. They determine the economic and moral priority of the Nation and your commmunity. "The Invisible Hand" is a farse. Just as direct democracy is. Markets are manipulated just as voting blocks are.

          Natural gas and coal are America's strength as far as energy resources is concerned. Oil stands on its own because it has received subsidies for decades - through tax breaks.

          http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...eadlinesEurope
          Some ag markets are manipulated by subsidies, which Im also against btw. Most prices are more or less determined by supply and demand plus govt taxes and fees. If Obama and his socialist friends get their "fundamental change", all markets will be controlled and government corruption will be far worse than it is now, if that is imaginable.

          Tax "breaks" are difficult to analyze or compare, since they are so high to begin with around the world, and most come from Congressional pork. IMHO, the only fair tax method would involve a universal sales tax levied on consumption, without any breaks or stratification, not on property (incl earnings/savings).

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          • #20
            Re: Questar CNG to increase 50 cents per gallon

            I know mine won't be the most popular opinion, but I'm still happy paying $1.45 rather than almost twice that for gasoline.

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            • #21
              Re: Questar CNG to increase 50 cents per gallon

              Im not sure but I think the current .93 per gge. allready includes .12 or .13 cents of the tax credit. In other words the increase would be around .37 cents per gge. Questar was keeping the difference, but passing on the rest. Questar is largely responsable for getting the credit included in the original bill, and will make every effort to have it reinstated. Questar and the State have invested Millions in increasing the compression along the wasatch front, this increase, even at .37 cents, will kill the groth of CNG Vehicle sales, conversions, and use.

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              • #22
                Re: Questar CNG to increase 50 cents per gallon

                Originally posted by mnjo91 View Post
                Im not sure but I think the current .93 per gge. allready includes .12 or .13 cents of the tax credit. In other words the increase would be around .37 cents per gge. Questar was keeping the difference, but passing on the rest. Questar is largely responsable for getting the credit included in the original bill, and will make every effort to have it reinstated. Questar and the State have invested Millions in increasing the compression along the wasatch front, this increase, even at .37 cents, will kill the groth of CNG Vehicle sales, conversions, and use.
                mnjo91,

                As of January 1, 2009, the sate of Utah attached a 8.5 cent per GGE increase to CNG prices for the state road tax. Questar used the 50 cent per GGE tax credit to pay our 18 cent per GGE federal road tax and then passed the extra 32 cent per GGE savings on to us. Now, with the 50 cent per GGE tax credit gone, We will have to pay the federal road tax as well as not get the 32 cent savings. Thus the increase to the CNG price at the pump will be 50 cents.
                Jared.
                Mountain Green, Utah
                2003 CNG Cavalier
                2003 CNG Silverado 2500HD

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                • #23
                  Re: Questar CNG to increase 50 cents per gallon

                  I've got to admit that this price increase will make me rethink my longer term plan for my car & truck. There are a few downsides to CNG that will come to the forefront of mind (for me anyways) when filling up the tank at a 50% price increase. Yes, I realize what other people in other states pay. I guess I've been spoiled, but with much more increase in price I'll begin to wonder if it's worth it.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Questar CNG to increase 50 cents per gallon

                    $1.50 / gge is still dirt cheap and shouldn't increase much beyond for a while because of local supply/demand issues. Gasoline/diesel will soon be over $5.00/gal and more, once Obama's inflation kicks in next year, or the economy collapses, whichever happens first.

                    I suppose you could always get a bicycle... infinite miles per gallon, but expensive in terms of time and wear and tear.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Questar CNG to increase 50 cents per gallon

                      As I filled up last night for the last time CNG was going to be under a dollar. I started thinking of all the good things that could come of this. Here are my thoughts (in no particular order):
                      1. Still a $1.50/GGE is not too bad it is still about half that of gasoline.
                      2. CNG needs to stand on its own two feet (without government subsidizing), maybe this is as good as time as any.
                      3. With the savings not as big, maybe this will put an end to all the backyard, jimmy rigged, illegal conversions being done in this state. I wonder how HB 70 will play out now.

                      That was all I thought of, as my tank was already 3/4 full when I started filling and thus my time was short at the pump.
                      Jared.
                      Mountain Green, Utah
                      2003 CNG Cavalier
                      2003 CNG Silverado 2500HD

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                      • #26
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                        I generally agree with your thoughts, Highmarker. I'm still going to have a tough time swallowing the $300/mo increase in my fuel bill, though.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Questar CNG to increase 50 cents per gallon

                          As with anything the government is involved with. If you don't like it, eliminate them from the situation as much as possible.

                          One possible solution is to get a home fill kit/system.
                          2002 Cavalier
                          2003 Cavalier
                          2004 Cavalier

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                          • #28
                            Re: Questar CNG to increase 50 cents per gallon

                            It is what it is. I started this journey 3 years ago at .63 per gge!! That was fun. We were lucky here in Utah that the tax credit was passed along, Clean Energy just pocketed it and it never really helped other consumers. Getting tax credits to the consumer seems to be a difficult task with CNG. Vehicle tax credits just inflated the price tag and really just put the vehicles back down to a tolerable price. Seems dealers and CNG distributors were the benefactors of all these subsidies.

                            I've always said, the reasons for using CNG are as follows, in the correct order:

                            1. IT'S DOMESTIC
                            2. IT'S CLEAN
                            3. price

                            I feel lucky that I even get the opportunity to use CNG, with all the politics involved and the power of big oil, we are LUCKY!!
                            2000 Escalade (option 3 conversion) FOR SALE
                            2004 F150 XLT (OEM conversion)
                            2000 Camry (Awesome Car!!)

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                            • #29
                              Re: Questar CNG to increase 50 cents per gallon

                              I mentioned those things in my e-mail to Senator Hatch. I wonder how soon a reply will be made being that he's a little busy under fire here in utah with town hall meetings. Anyway, I'm willing to go with that Yroc. We are lucky to be able to use it given the manipulation that big oil plays in our world. That being said, I think we will see another tax credit at some point in time. It may not get back down to .95 cents a gallon but I think a credit will be extended in due time.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Questar CNG to increase 50 cents per gallon

                                I remember a while back that someone local posted that they had a home filling station and that it averaged about $1.10 gge to fill at home. That price included electricity for the pump, NG and maintenance cost averaged out. They justified the (then) premium cost as acceptable since you gain a lot of convience with a home pump. Are those still the same numbers today? -or does Queststar somehow add back on the .50 to home filling also?
                                If it's cheaper now to fill at home, a home station is now starting to make more sense for my situation.
                                If they ever decided to take away my C plate for the carpool lane, I'd sell the truck and get a diesel.
                                2003 GMC Sierra K2500 ex-cab, factory bi-fuel
                                -Todd

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