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    I'm very interested in purchasing a CNG vehicle for my family.

    As I have been doing research about this alternative fuel, I have some burning questions:

    WHY hasn't this option been generally made known and available to the public as a way for us to actively improve our air quality NOW? How can we increase awareness and options about this opportunity to meet transportation needs with this air-friendlier fuel?

    I'm holding a Meeting of the Minds about this important subject and I need you to come.

    Thursday, February 21st, from 10:15-11:30 am at the West Valley Library,

    2880 West 3650 South, West Valley City.

    Put this date aside and RSVP to [email protected]

    "The powers that be" are invited to come, including:

    advocacy groups like Western Resource Advocates and Utah Moms for Clean Air, government entities like Utah Clean Cities, and
    businesses like Questar and Honda (the current single CNG manufacturer)
    local mechanics & dealers who specialize in conversion and CNG sales,
    banks that will make low-rate "green loans"
    gasoline stations who can offer CNG at more locations.

    We will leave this meeting with the gears in motion!

    We must increase the awareness and demand for people to purchase, convert, and drive CNG vehicles. We can do this by enlisting the help of businesses to patronize CNG drivers: carwashes and drive-in movies that will have "free days" for CNG drivers; Tesoro or Sinclair choosing to make CNG an option at more of their gas stations; appearing in parades, and other ideas.

    There is a great need for CNG advocacy -- legislative, as well as newspaper coverage, and even billboards that say: "Go to Heck, OPEC!" or "Proud to have Gas - CNG that is".

    Consider who among your contacts needs to be at this Feb 21 brainstorm session, and please forward this to them and other interested parties. Don't worry about possible repeat invitations - it will help people know that word is getting out!

    If you're willing to provide me with contact information so I can follow up, that'd be great.

    Thank you --

    Regan Barnes
    [email protected]

    PS: I'm aware of other options, such as E85 and hydrogen. Of these, I agree with Princeton Professor Enoch Durbin, they are not as plausible or possible right now.

    As for the bio-fuel E85, in the *expensive* process to create it, more pollution is created than is saved in the burning of it. The government has to spend considerable money subsidizing E85, while CNG has minimal processing and is *less* expensive than regular gasoline.

    I'm terribly discouraged by the fact that even fleets are abandoning this option and turning to E85 -- which is clearly NOT as favorable as CNG. E85 is more corrosive to engines and they won't be able to re-sell their vehicles as confidently and easily.

    My understanding is that employees weren't willing to find CNG stations and just filled up on regular gas all the time anyways. I think there are other ways they could have been compelled to find CNG stations -- like a per GGE incentive of fifty cents -- which still would have kept costs below the gasoline prices and emissions overall lower.

    Instead, they chose to purchase fleet vehicles that are bi-fuel and for
    which there is ONE E85 station in the entire state (compared to 20 or more CNG). Undoubtedly, they will have even LOWER habits of filling up on this and the emissions will continue to add to our filthy and unhealthy air.

    I also understand that Ford and Chevy opted to quit making CNG vehicles, in which case appeals could have been made to other car manufacturers (KIA, Hyundai, Subaru) that likely would have been glad to pick up where these companies left off.

    I understand that CNG isn't as ideal as hydrogen, but it is definitely an improvement --

    and since the hydrogen technology just isn't up to par, we might as well make efforts with what is available while car manufacturers work out the hydrogen kinks.

  • #2
    Re: CNG Meeting of the Minds

    Sounds like a great idea.
    I would like to see access to the state owned stations at school districts etc. on the agenda. About a year ago the state closed them to the public.



    • #3
      Re: CNG Meeting of the Minds CANCELLED


      I have determined that it is best to cancel the Meeting of the Minds that I planned for Feb 21.

      I am discouraged by the responses I have received.

      I request your forgiveness for my overzealousness in planning this meeting
      without considering the fact that such research and attempts at such advocacy
      has already been conducted.

      I regret that Utah's citizens is not willing to jump on board and do something as simple
      and inexpensive as this to improve our air quality and decrease our dependence on foreign oil.

      My best to each of you in your efforts.


      • #4
        Re: CNG Meeting of the Minds

        Welcome to CNGchat, CNG Advocate!

        Perhaps you shouldn't give up on us so fast. This chat board might represent possibly 5% of the natural gas vehicle owners in Utah. And even then, odds are that less than half of them saw your post yesterday.

        I think a meeting would be great, in fact I would love to organize a Natural Gas Vehicle Coalition such as they have in California:
        Renewable Transportation Alternatives: The Proven Choice Vehicles powered by renewable natural gas (RNG) and green energy are helping to reduce […]

        Possibly the best avenue to get this going is via the existing organization Utah Clean Cities Coalition.
        Clean Fuels | Clean Strategies | Clean AirAbout Utah Clean CitiesAlternative Fuels Projects & PartnershipsUtah Clean Cities Projects Department of Energy Project AssistanceTechnical AssistanceGet Involved — Become a MemberMembership Opportunties Green Fleets ProgramUnderstanding Smog RatingsUCAIR Resources: Understanding Smog Ratings PreviousNext12345 The Utah Clean Cities Coalition exists to support organizations and fleets in their efforts to contribute

        Robin Erickson at UCCC is very enthusiastic about use of CNG to clean the air, reduce our dependence on imported fuel, and all of the other concepts you included in your very thoughtful post. She is also very well-connected with key players in Utah's CNG community. I am sure she would welcome you contacting her. In the mean time please let me know how our little chat board might be of assistance to you in promoting the use of clean fuels in Utah.


        • #5
          Re: CNG Meeting of the Minds

          I also agree meetings of the minds are good. What I have learned about putting on 'public' gatherings is one thing, Just Do it. If you bring 1 person to the meeting, that is +1.

          For me, I am very vocal at my place of work. I just rub people about the price of gas and the fact I support LOCAL fuel for my car.

          I see CNG today where Hybrid was 5 - 7 years ago. Knowing what I know now, here is what I would prefer to have:

          1 - Electric Car - 200 mile range
          2 - Plug-in CNG Hybrid
          3 - CNG
          4 - Plug-in Hybrid
          5 - Hybrid

          While today I drive a CNG car, there are actually two cars above I would prefer.

          So for your meeting, set the date, time and place. If I were in Utah I would go, just to meet people from here.


          • #6
            Re: CNG Meeting of the Minds

            I've often wondered why State and local officials haven't promoted CNG vehicles more. It's such a no-brainer here in Utah with the price of fuel and the air quality issues facing the Wasatch Front. I could come up with lots of "black helicopter" theories, but more than likely it just apathy and fear of change.

            I get a chuckle when I see all of these new hybrid vehicles trotting around like show horses getting a few miles per gallon better than their non-hybrid counter-parts. In the mean time I just grin as I fill up for .63 per gallon and blast down the car pool lane creating virtually zero emissions.

            OK, rant over...