Channel 2 News - approx. 4,000 illegal conversions cannot be licensed in Utah

[Lancer Automotive Group]

Channel 2 News tonight at 10PM, Gephardt. Report on new inspection laws.

http://www.kutv.com/content/gephardt/default.aspx

[Luke]

Re: Channel 2 News

I guess I did not realize many of those businesses were out of business. Going to be a lot of naive victims out there. For those who willingly bought non-certified kits, they were warned. Good report - hope it helps inform consumers.

[CNG Utah]

Re: Channel 2 News - approx. 4,000 illegal conversions cannot be licensed in Utah

Interesting video. I didn't know that that many people had had conversions done. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the future.

I embedded the video on our site as well so you can see it here: http://www.cngutah.com

[Luke]

Re: Channel 2 News - approx. 4,000 illegal conversions cannot be licensed in Utah

There is quite a bit of discussion on another thread related to this news item.

http://www.cngchat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=22232

[Yroc]

Re: Channel 2 News - approx. 4,000 illegal conversions cannot be licensed in Utah

Seems lame to punish the consumer. I did even know there was different conversions when I bought my first CNG vehicle. I just thought it either runs on CNG or not. Now they are punishing the consumer?? They need to figure out a way to allow safe conversions to drive on. Some of the VERY BEST conversions I've seen were not EPA, and I've seen epa conversion that are crap.... So this is not a fair way to regulate that's is FOR SURE!

[CraziFuzzy]

Re: Channel 2 News - approx. 4,000 illegal conversions cannot be licensed in Utah

Well, safety aside, it is still the law that they must be EPA certified to drive on public roads in the US. So while it is true, you can make a safe non-EPA kit, Utah has no obligations to license it, and knowingly doing so would actually be contrary to the clean air act.

[younkin]

Re: Channel 2 News - approx. 4,000 illegal conversions cannot be licensed in Utah

One other note, since when has the 'UHP' been concerned with Emissions? I thought they tested vehicles for safety, are they assuming that an EPA sticker makes a car safe? If they are they are gravely mistaken. Whether or not a car has an EPA sticker should not be the issue, every car CNG needs to be inspected by certified CNG tank and system inspectors and if the car is safe and runs clean on CNG they should be held to the same standards as any other car. If a CNG car runs dirty, let them spend $200 like everyone else to tune it, if the emissions improve but still don't pass grant them a wavier, give them a year to get clean, Jim

[Yroc]

Re: Channel 2 News - approx. 4,000 illegal conversions cannot be licensed in Utah

I would like to know of an example of a NGV burning 'dirtier' that a regular gas vehicle. I've heard this argument as why you should have an EPA conversion, but have NEVER seen even the worst conversion not be cleaner. I can only believe that what's being said is true, but I don't think it's a huge problem. CNG is clean, and if your vehicle runs decent, it's probalby buring cleaner. It'd be nice to see an example anyway.

[Lancer Automotive Group]

Re: Channel 2 News - approx. 4,000 illegal conversions cannot be licensed in Utah

We are an emissions and a inspection station in Utah and yes there are a lot of conversion that burn dirty than gas. When you install a conversion you need to adjust the way you vehicle burns fuel. If you look under the Chevy forum you will find a few on this site that will not pass emissions on CNG but will on gas.

[John Mitton]

FTP75 will tell the tale...

younkin, Yroc,

Rather than guessing, or relying on a simple 5 gas smog-check analyzer, why don't you take your {experimental} CNG conversion to one of the labs in the attached document and run an FTP75 test? If it is bi-fuel run one on each fuel and compare. They are about $1,000 each test. You will be about 1/6th of the way toward an EPA cert (the other 5 FTP's are part of the OBD demonstration).

[younkin]

Re: Channel 2 News - approx. 4,000 illegal conversions cannot be licensed in Utah

Where is the closest lab? Jim

[John Mitton]

Labs

Probably the one we use in Mesa or the many down on SoCal. Again see the PDF file I attached two posts ago. In understand the two Colorado ones on the list don't get involved in alt fuel work.

[Highmarker]

Re: Channel 2 News - approx. 4,000 illegal conversions cannot be licensed in Utah

I would like to know of an example of a NGV burning 'dirtier' that a regular gas vehicle. I've heard this argument as why you should have an EPA conversion, but have NEVER seen even the worst conversion not be cleaner. I can only believe that what's being said is true, but I don't think it's a huge problem. CNG is clean, and if your vehicle runs decent, it's probalby buring cleaner. It'd be nice to see an example anyway.

Yroc,

See my post below:

http://www.cngchat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23544&postcount=8