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  • Yroc
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    Re: New signs requiring EPA approved systems at Questar fill station in SLC

    Originally posted by Luke View Post
    I thought the Orem station was a Questar station.
    It is a Questar station

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  • Luke
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    Re: New signs requiring EPA approved systems at Questar fill station in SLC

    Originally posted by CNG Utah View Post
    It looks like the signs are being posted at non-Questar sites now. I filled up last night in Orem and there was one there as well. The sign looked brand new. I happened to have my camera with me, so I snapped a couple pics.
    I thought the Orem station was a Questar station.

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  • afvman
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    Re: New signs requiring EPA approved systems at Questar fill station in SLC

    Gentlepeople,

    We discussed this at length on last Firday's CNG BlogTalkRadio. Questar feels it's the states responsibility to assure the safety and compliance of aftermarket conversions. Problem is that very few states have required saftey inspection programs and even those don't have a clue about NGV's.

    For Questar or any utility to try to enforce compliance has a built-in conflict of interest in that they want to sell gas so...

    I think it's up to use as an industry to police (rather than the alternative of having the govenment do it) ourselves. NGVAmerica and CVEF have formed a taskforce to address the issue of qualifying conversion shops and hopefully the bar will be raised. (Oh, I forgot, it has to be set in the first place before it can be raised.)

    Send your thoughts to:
    Douglas Horne, Jr. President
    Clean Vehicle Education Foundation
    6011 Fords Lake Ct.
    Acworth GA 30101-8469
    (770) 424-8575
    [email protected]

    Best regards,


    afvman

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  • Highmarker
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    Re: New signs requiring EPA approved systems at Questar fill station in SLC

    Originally posted by Toby View Post
    So, I bought a used vehicle from a dealer in Arizona. How do I go about obtaining the EPA certificate of approval on it? It was an aftermarket conversion.
    Toby,

    You sent me an email regarding this question, and I replied back to you, but it kicked back to me saying that your email was not available. Check you private messages; I sent you one.

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  • Toby
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    Re: New signs requiring EPA approved systems at Questar fill station in SLC

    So, I bought a used vehicle from a dealer in Arizona. How do I go about obtaining the EPA certificate of approval on it? It was an aftermarket conversion.

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  • cowboy
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    Re: New signs requiring EPA approved systems at Questar fill station in SLC

    Originally posted by scottfetsh View Post
    maybe they should use the model we are using at WISEGAS and make a member card system instead of a credit card where we at WISEGAS inspect every vehicle for compliance (tank cert,epa approved,properly installed and proper state registration) to get a card to fuel up ,but this may affect the bottom dollar which questar can't have. they probably put that up for insurance reasons and that is the end of it
    ere we go making it hard to travel away from home having to have a 100 cards and still not having the right one at 3 in the morning mayby start a cng visa card that could have the cert coded on the mag strip just a thought cowboy

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  • krnorth
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    Re: New signs requiring EPA approved systems at Questar fill station in SLC

    I was happy to see the sign. But I agree....it's probably for insurance purposes only and nothing further.

    I also too had mentioned to my brother that I'd be interested to find out about taking pictures of vehicles that are not obvious factory cng systems and turning them into the police or questar. I'd love to find some actual enforcment on this.

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  • CNG Utah
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    Re: New signs requiring EPA approved systems at Questar fill station in SLC

    It looks like the signs are being posted at non-Questar sites now. I filled up last night in Orem and there was one there as well. The sign looked brand new. I happened to have my camera with me, so I snapped a couple pics.
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  • TOMTGT
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    Re: New signs requiring EPA approved systems at Questar fill station in SLC

    I am going to put my two cents in on this. the way I see most non EPA or DIY systems always have little problems. We see these kits in our shop all the time. Normally we will not touch the vehicle if we feel the system is unsafe. We are going to install a PIN number in our dispenser so we can inspect the tanks and system on a vehicle. Every time there is a problem the vehicles owners family always sues the station owner because he made his station avalible to the idiot that is driving a dangerous system. The station owner has not one to go back on. There is no good asnwer to this problem that is growing but the station owners have to protect them selves or stop suppling gas to the general public.

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  • OgdenRyan
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    Re: New signs requiring EPA approved systems at Questar fill station in SLC

    Here is the full scoop on EPA and conversions. The only way to recognize a EPA approved vehicle is to look at the sticker under the hood. A lot of kits out there interfere with the emission and 0xygen sensors.... which the EPA frowns upon, but there are also kits that don't even touch the sensors with the engine. The fact is, the EPA will do nothing to warrant anything to stop people using non-EPA cert kits. If they even took a step to remove all kits, it is the same that they would have to find every aftermarket part sold and installed from stores like Pep Boys and Auto Zone.... It will not happen and there are plenty of attourneys that agree. Another aspect is, the filling stations of Questar can shut down, but who will stop the filling stations that are privately held in homes?
    Last edited by John Mitton; 12-09-2008, 02:39 AM. Reason: promoting "kits"

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  • scottfetsh
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    Re: New signs requiring EPA approved systems at Questar fill station in SLC

    maybe they should use the model we are using at WISEGAS and make a member card system instead of a credit card where we at WISEGAS inspect every vehicle for compliance (tank cert,epa approved,properly installed and proper state registration) to get a card to fuel up ,but this may affect the bottom dollar which questar can't have. they probably put that up for insurance reasons and that is the end of it

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  • Highmarker
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    Re: VECI label

    Anybody can buy a CNG sticker and put it on the back of vehicle. Just because a vehicle has the sticker does not mean that it is EPA certified nor that it is in compliance with NFPA 52. The Jeep Cherokee had to have the back of the vehicle open to refuel. His filling valve was located inside the vehicle.
    Last edited by Highmarker; 12-15-2008, 07:32 AM.

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  • John Mitton
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    VECI label

    Just look under the hood for the Vehicle Emissions Compliance Label (sticker). OEM and certified conversions place a sticker there with the Test Group (aka "Engine Family") along with the fuel EPA certified for use with the system.

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  • maxman
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    Re: New signs requiring EPA approved systems at Questar fill station in SLC

    I honestly don't know how to tell. The only thing I even know is look for the CNG diamond on the back, but I don't believe that reveals anything other than CNG.
    I don't even know how to tell on my F150, other than I assume it is because it's a 'factory' GFI system and there's a Ford CNG supplement with the owner's manual plus the VIN number.
    Would one of the stickers state if it were EPA approved, like the stickers that say "meets all federal etc etc at time of manufacture"?

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  • Highmarker
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    Re: New signs requiring EPA approved systems at Questar fill station in SLC

    CNG Utah,

    The Jeep Cherokee that I saw was easily an early 2000s model. My only thought was if it came out of Arizona back in the "Option 3" days.

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