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  • #16
    Re: Use the higher-capacity stations

    Originally posted by John Mitton View Post
    Orem and Murray are two of the lowest compression-capacity stations in the system. I never think of stopping there anymore.

    Where possible fill at the following high-capacity stations:

    * Springville Flying J
    * Jordan School District 90th S.
    * Questar HQ 1100 W. 200 S. (this is the best one of all, dual compressors, huge storage, 6 hoses, and right off the carpool exit!)
    * University of Utah
    * SLC Airport
    * Clearfield

    I understand Alpine School District has significant compression as well (once they get it up and running again).
    Thanks John! This is good info to know. Alpine SD will be a great addition for Utah County once it's up. Take some load off of Orem.

    Orem has been completely hammered this last week while the Springville Flying J has been down. (2 pumps are back up.)

    I also think if people try and fill at off-peak times whenever possible it will help stations maintain better pressure.

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    • #17
      Re: Filling in Utah / Questar station info, etc.

      Did the Questar Meeting happen today? (Aug 19, 2008)

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      • #18
        Re: Filling in Utah / Questar station info, etc.

        I'd think twice. I 've been filling up at the main Questar facility on 2nd south and every time I go there are more people and less pumps working. It seems to be there are less pumps functioning every day.

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        • #19
          Re: Use the higher-capacity stations

          1 hose working at Questar 200 s

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          • #20
            Re: Filling in Utah / Questar station info, etc.

            Any news from the meeting on the 19th?

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            • #21
              Re: Filling in Utah / Questar station info, etc.

              Unfortunately, in this case, No news is probably bad news.

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              • #22
                19th meeting notes

                OK gang,
                Sorry I took so long to get a report out regarding the meeting this week at Questar with the Utah Auto Dealers Association. It was kind of a non-event in many ways, but there are a few tidbits of interest.

                Perhaps the most notable thing to report is that Gordon Larsen of Questar complimented the CNGchat community for being such a wonderful grass roots organization in providing information and in organizing to effect public policy. He encouraged the auto dealers to go to our web site where almost any question can be answered.

                Gordon apologized for the poor pressure we are finding at the stations these days. Up until the end of last year these stations had all kinds of excess capacity. They were primarily put into place to serve the Questar fleet, which Questar could have chosen to keep behind fences (as many utilities did) but instead decided to promote the vehicle fuel and provide as much public access as possible. Utah is the only state where an NGV driver can travel from boarder to boarder and pay for the fuel with cash.

                In 2008 they have seen over 300% jump in demand, which even if there were compressors and storage available in the marketplace right now would take months to acquire, permit and install. One immediate source of relief is that Questar has beefed-up their internal refueling capacity to take some load off the public stations from their fleet.

                It is clear that Questar is not budgeting to expand the network but rather doing all they can to assist others in bringing new public refueling to market. They feel they have done what they can to get a foundation started, now it is time for others to join in building out the infrastructure. Ogden City has ordered a station which will be open to the public. Ace Disposal is putting in a public station in West Valley. The city of Vernal is also close to ordering a public station out there too. In all of these cases the fleet will time-fill overnight when the public demand is low. There are quite a few more potential private/public stations going in but at this point in time they cannot disclose who they are working with. (I might add that last week I met with another Utah municipality who is targeting Q1/Q2 for a station, ordering CNG refuse trucks, etc.).

                Senator Carline Walker attended, asking the pointed question if Questar is going to go down the same path as so many other gas utilities have done by selling off their stations to a potential monopoly player? I thought the response from Questar was appropriate: It is no secret that any number of potential buyers have floated the idea, but in reality the stations we have here in Utah are owned by the rate payers. The only way they can be sold is if the rate payers allow the Public Services Commission to approve such a sale. At this point in time the stations are what they are and will likely be that way for quite some time.

                Another concern voiced is that we have a large natural gas supply here in the Rockies being sold to a relatively small captive market, hence our low prices at home and at the pump. Once pipelines get finished to the East what will happen to pricing of this affordable fuel? It was interesting to learn that 1/2 of the gas we consume in Utah comes from the Questar wells in the west; the other 1/2 comes from the open market (this is due to a governmental mandate so it seems). So as the Rocky Mountain gas becomes available to the larger markets (in 2010 I believe) it will probably provide some depression on those prices, which will in the end result in not too much in the way of rate hikes for Utah consumers.

                UADA provided printouts from NGV America and EPA with the certified engine platforms available and there were opportunities for the auto dealers to meet with installers of these systems. Some members are considering installing refueling at their dealerships so there was also some discussion on estimated costs, grants available, etc. from Mat Carlile from the Dept. of Air Quality.

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                • #23
                  Re: 19th meeting notes

                  What is the estmated startup cost for a station like Sandy. Say 4 hoses servicing 100 cars a day?

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                  • #24
                    Re: 19th meeting notes

                    Does anyone know where Ogden City will be putting their public station? I would assume at the city building on 25th and Washington or at the bus/train hub on Wall, but just wondering...

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