Ontario

[jetboatjohnny]

Last night I stopped off in Ontario to re-fuel and got about .76 gge @1,800psi. It had been probably at least a year since I have been there because of the past issues I have had there, I figured I would save money because my local (Hemet) pump says 2.538/gge but is still at 2.19/gge.
There was a guy there ('06 GX) that uses it regularly and said he usually gets a decent 3,000 psi fill. Another person had 2,000 in his tank and got nothing, he was headed for 29 Palms, hoping to fill in Yucca Valley.
J

[bluedevil]

Re: Ontario

JBJ,
I've been to Ontario about three or four times within the last few weeks, I didn't have a problem fueling up. I did fill at about 3000 psi, but I am use to the 3600+ fills at the Riverside City yard, so I guess I'm a little spoiled, but Ontario gave me good fills nonetheless...

[jetboatjohnny]

Re: Ontario

Thanks,
I'll probably give it another shot for sure if Hemet raises the price to 2.538 like it says on the pump.
My neighbor is going to give me a great deal on a used Phill unit, he has a converted 2006 F-250 4x4.

[cngsteve]

Re: Ontario

I had a weird experience there today. One pump was down. The other filled incredibly slowly to 2600. Slower than I've ever experienced anywhere. Probably 10 minutes or more.

But the really weird part was that my car wouldn't start afterward. Cranked for awhile with no signs of life. Cranked again for about 10 seconds and nothing. Tried it a third time and it started after a good deal of cranking. This as I was beginning a long trip out to the desert. Unsettling. So I turned it off and on a few times with no problems. Made my trip with several stops; perfectly normal.

Can't think of any reason why filling would cause this, but it was just a bit too coincidental. It was as if it froze the fuel solenoid or something. Call me superstitious, but I won't be back anytime soon.

[jetboatjohnny]

Re: Ontario

Yeah Steve, I've been there probably 7 or 8 times in the last 2 years, and maybe 2 times I got a 3,000psi fill, 2 times I got no fill because the card reader could not connect multiple times.
It is definitely the least reliable station I have been to.
I have heard that they are building a new facility near the airport.
Still...I may try again tomorrow anyway.
Also I have been looking at the map and trying to figure out if it is worthwhile to go out of my way to fill in Riverside. It actually wont add that many miles to my commute, just a lot of city driving. I would probably save me about 10 bucks a week. Still not bad, I drive over 600 miles a week for less than 40$!
BTW Hemet pump still shows 2.538, but receipt shows 2.19.
J

[jetboatjohnny]

Re: Ontario

I went back to the station Friday around 7pm and got .35 gge @1600psi.
The shuttle drivers said the pressure was great in the morning.
J

[clnbrnr1]

Re: Ontario

I have a theory, Maybe while all the trash trucks are home to roost for the evening,they are sucking up all the gas. I think the compressors are all located towards the back of the facility as I have never heard anything near the actual pumps. So the public pumps are at the end of the line so we get nothing but leftovers. Joe

[cngmike]

Re: Ontario

There are 2 compressors on the other side of the building form the dispenser. One is a Gimini compressor 250 cfm the other I don't remember all I know is the guys from Excel Engineering had to totally refurbished it after was FUBARed by CE's maintenance crew. The storage is very limited, a CPI 3 pack about 33,000 cf. @ 3600 psi. Besides the dispensers out front there are 2 in the yard. Also the time fill in the yard there is also a line that goes to fill school buses.

[CraziFuzzy]

Re: Ontario

I can concurr that it is due to the trucks ther ein the evening. In the morning and through the day, there is little problem getting good fills there. (I usually get a little above 3000# in the mornings.) Once the trucks/busses get there and start hooking up, the compressor starts running to fill them up, and can never get enough free time to bring the fast fill tanks up to pressure. The result is bad fills. It's not really a matter of the location of the public terminals, it's just a matter of the way there system is set up, to give priority to the trucks/busses. Can't really complain that much, since they do sell it for no profit, and are the cheapest fill. Just only go there in the morning. :-)

[moore101]

Re: Ontario

Or the weekend, Sunday I got a 3200 PSI fill

[Gaz Guy]

Re: Ontario

I won't use the Ontaio station due to excessive oil in the gas. Unless they have changed the way they maintain their equipment, I would stay away. Removing excess oil from your system is very costly, even with the coalescing filter, which is after the tank.

[cngmike]

Re: Ontario

Dave I think they have hired Randy, formerly of American Compressor to do work for them. I will check with him and see if he has done anything with coalesing.

[CraziFuzzy]

Re: Ontario

I won't use the Ontaio station due to excessive oil in the gas. Unless they have changed the way they maintain their equipment, I would stay away. Removing excess oil from your system is very costly, even with the coalescing filter, which is after the tank.

A question for you, but what, do you feel, are the detrimental effects of oil in the gas? I imagine it would depend on how your car is set up, but I don't see it as much of a problem on most vehicles out there. Worst case could potentially be a slight bit of injector fouling, though I know Ford at least already recommends flushing the injectors anyways. It seems to me the significant cost savings of the Ontario station is well worth the small amount of oil in it.

FYI, I used Ontario almost exclusively for over a year, and never had more than a few drops of oil in my filter bowl when I've checked, so I guess I haven't seen as much oil problems there as you have.

[larrycng]

Re: Ontario

The main problem with the engine is the small amounts of oil carbonize in the combustion chamber. As that carbon deposits on the piston crowns and in the heads it will cause hot spots which will lead to preignition or detonation under heavy loads and eventually distroy the engine. I know, with 120 to 130 octane rating (depending on fuel composition) it shouldn't happen. That is one reason the John Deere put a knock sensor on the later series of 8.1 cng engines -- because of detonation protection.

There have been stories (from a factory Ford trainer) about oil accumlating in the storage cylinders and reducing the vehicle range. I would also be concerned with the oil gumming up the regulator and lock-off valves.

Larrycng

[Socal.2fast]

Re: Ontario

Yes Sundays seem to be the best there.