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  • 91 3+ Toll lanes (chat moved from marketplace)

    Originally posted by 02cvpi
    2002 CNG Police Interceptor. Dedicated CNG only. You can ride solo in the carpool lane and the 91 freeway express lanes are free. In San Francisco tolls are free as well. I pay $1.21 a gallon!!
    Since when is the 91 express lane free? I've never heard that. Can you send me a link on that , please?

    Also, where do you get gas for $1.21?

    Moderator note: This discussion was moved from the "Marketplace" forum.
    Last edited by Lakewood90712; 06-21-2009, 07:41 AM. Reason: Moved from marketplace , added mod note
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    Re: 91 3+ Toll lanes

    Originally posted by gringostar View Post
    Since when is the 91 express lane free? I've never heard that. Can you send me a link on that , please?
    It is not free for NGV's.

    Vehicles with three or more persons (HOV3+), zero emission vehicles (ZEVs), motorcycles, disabled plates and disabled veterans are permitted to ride free in the 91 Express Lanes during most hours.
    As we all know, NGV's are not ZEV's.

    http://www.91expresslanes.com/genera...tollpolicy.asp
    Last edited by Lakewood90712; 08-07-2013, 09:26 PM. Reason: corrected title


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    • #3
      Re: 91 3+ Toll lanes

      That is correct information.
      I have used the 3+ lane twice in the past with no citation. I argued this with someone in the past (Yahoo) that claimed to use it on a regular basis. I would like to hear from that person, I cant remember who it was.
      Last edited by Lakewood90712; 08-07-2013, 09:25 PM. Reason: corrected title
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      • #4
        Re: 91 3+ Toll lanes

        Originally posted by jetboatjohnny View Post
        I have used the 3+ lane twice in the past with no citation.
        You can use the 3+ lane, but it is not free, correct?
        Last edited by Lakewood90712; 08-07-2013, 09:24 PM. Reason: corrected title


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        • #5
          Re: 91 3+ Toll lanes

          I was solo in the 3+ lane (broke the rules and got away with it). The lane is free except for certain high commuting hours, and then it is half the toll.
          Last edited by Lakewood90712; 08-07-2013, 09:23 PM. Reason: corrected title
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          • #6
            Re: 91 3+ Toll lanes

            The free NGV on the 91 Express lanes used to be the case, I don't believe it is anymore - probably hasn't been for a while.

            When I first started driving an NGV, about 8 or so years ago, they allowed CNG and electric vehicles to use the 3+ lane and thereby avoid the toll. You had to open an account with the 91 Toll Lane operator - I can't remember who it was at the time, but they were different from the 241 and 71 - if you had one of the other Fasttrak accounts you could use the lanes, but not for free. You had to specifically open an account with the 91 operator and notify them that your car was CNG or electric (not many of those) and that was that.

            Some time after the situation changed - the 3+ got you a 50% discount. The lanes are now operated by the OCTA and they do not allow CNG vehicles to use the lanes for free.

            Like Johnny, I have busted through the 3+ lane even after the rules changed, but as he said, it's a question of whether you get away with it or not.

            As Johnny said, this was one of those topics that was endlessly debated on other forums. In the early days it was free, I had an account that provided me with free use of the lanes, now it has changed and it has not been free for a very long time - bye bye to all of the little perks we used to have.

            Another reason I think that there has been some confusion about the "free" use of the 91 express lanes is the quality of the information available. I am sure that everyone has experienced the wide range of conflicting information that you get when you ask questions - often from people within the same organization. I am reminded of the time I tried to buy a new Crown Vic - the salesman listened to me, and then gently corrected me "you mean propane..." He then went on to tell me that Ford didn't make a CNG Crown Vic - his argument wasn't helped by the existence of my 1996 CNG Crown Victoria, parked outside. Anyway, I mention that to illustrate the quality of information we have all received over the years - I am sure that many people were told by some 91 customer service reps that there was no free lunch, whereas others like myself, opened accounts that gave us free use of the lanes... Just a thought
            Last edited by Lakewood90712; 08-07-2013, 09:23 PM. Reason: corrected title

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            • #7
              Re:91 3+ Toll lanes

              Originally posted by jetboatjohnny View Post
              I was solo in the 3+ lane (broke the rules and got away with it). The lane is free except for certain high commuting hours, and then it is half the toll.
              opps tos it is ilegal to cheat on your tolls so this is not in complance with the terms of service for this site LOL
              Last edited by Lakewood90712; 08-07-2013, 09:22 PM. Reason: corrected title

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              • #8
                Re: 91 3+ Toll lanes

                Yeah, it is not posted well. There is no signage on the express lanes stating whether white stickers get you in the 3+ lane or not... it is just posted as "3+ only". You are not likely to get pulled over, but if you did, it'd be hard to argue that the carpool access granted by the stickers is NOT good enough for the 3+ lane... 3+ sounds a lot like a carpool lane to me.. :-) If you call and talk to the operating company, they will tell you that the 3+ lane is for 3 passengers, zevs (electric) and motorcycles. As for the pricing in that lane, it is 50% during peak times (between 4 and 7pm i think, eastbound) and free all other times and always free westbound. Even when it is free, you are still required to have a fastrack account/transponder to use it.
                Last edited by Lakewood90712; 08-07-2013, 09:21 PM. Reason: corrected title
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                • #9
                  Re: 91 3+ Toll lanes (chat moved from marketplace)

                  I have recently been driving the 91 to visit my family and chickened out of driving the 3+ lane. Most of the time (trips to north Tustin) I take the 241 (tollroad) to Chapman/Santiago Canyon RD and cannot access it from the FasTrak. The toll on my account is 2.25 but if you pay cash (tollbooth) it is 2.75. They screwed up by not connecting the 2 tollroads together, the 91 started out as a private venture but a lawsuit over the widening of the 91 ended up with CalTrans buying out the FasTrak. The best solution should have been done from the start like the 15 freeway from San Diego and northward. It has all the lanes going in one direction, South in the morning and north in the evening. They will have a "zipper " where they can split the lanes with an automated center divider with at least one HOV/HOT lane in each direction. Here's some links:
                  Scroll to the bottom for info on the 15
                  http://www.lao.ca.gov/2000/010700_ho...hov_lanes.html
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                  http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/i15express/
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                  • #10
                    Re: 91 3+ Toll lanes (chat moved from marketplace)

                    I have had an account since the lanes opened. Since I got my GX, I have tried several times to get the 91 Express people to authorize my NGV as acceptable for the 3+ lane. I have told them it is Alternative fuel, etc.

                    Their answer has always been the same. 3+ is for vehicles with 3 people, ZERO emissions (i.e. Electric) and motorcycles - sorry, your NGV is NOT ZERO emissions.

                    My reading of their rules supports this, and IIRC you need a special 3+ account authorized before using it with less then 3 people.

                    Yes, sometimes people get away using it and not getting caught. My son was doing so with his Expedition with tinted windows and got away with it for awhile. But, eventually he did get caught...

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                    • #11
                      Re: 91 3+ Toll lanes (chat moved from marketplace)

                      Having just bought a Civic CNG and staying out in Norco at my daughter's (for the time), travel the 91 Express extensively. I'm noticing the thread seems to be a little "old?" I'm going over the Express office this weekend, but wondered if anyone knew if CNG is allowed "free" access, or no? Thanks =)

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                      • #12
                        Re: 91 3+ Toll lanes

                        Also being a newbie, do I get notified if there is a response or do I just need to keep checking back here? lol Thanks!
                        Last edited by Lakewood90712; 08-07-2013, 09:19 PM. Reason: Corrected title

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