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  • Amfuel
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    Re: Phill broken - Now what?

    I commented in the other thread on this.

    Yes lakewood, that is not a normal start sound. The fan comes on initially and that is what I hear. The compressor starts after. I think he can verify that it is a reman by the tag on it. FM has discontinued the reman program recently and the parts are available from the distributors for field/shop service. Go to www.brcfuelmaker.it and click on the dealers tab to search for your nearest distributor.

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  • Amfuel
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    The sound I hear in the video is the fan starting. It sounds loud. If it is a reman Phill there will be that indicated on the ID tag with the date of reman. Check that there is not a wire or something contacting the fan blade.

    Make sure the gas is turned on to the machine as that will throw this error. It sounds like you had it go into an alarm condition indicating a a possible leak indicated by not being able to shut the machine down. Alarm shuts down the compressor and operates the fan continuously to exhaust any gas from the room. Did it do this when filling the hose while disconnected from the vehicle? If so, separate the nozzle at the breakaway by stepping on the nozzle end and giving a good yank on the hose. Try the fill again. Still error? From the video it looks like the hose is stretched out quite a bit. Even though it is a 12' hose it is recommended by FM not to stretch it over 7'. Long stretching of the hose can cause the internal line to break and leak. The gas from such a leak will flow inside the yellow jacket and exit inside the machine and the gas sensor will trigger the alarm.

    You may be only seeing the initial error code, there could be more.

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  • sjseng
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    No that doesn't sound good. Sorry to hear about your troubles. Almost sounds like the motor is not engaging with the compressor and just free spinning with no resistance. But I am no expert.

    Good Luck

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  • BrianS
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    Could that sound come from no gas getting to compressor?

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  • BrianS
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    I bought it from a private party that sent it in for a refurb. Cost a little over $2500, praying that a sale to third party does not nullify any warranty that may come with the unit. The first time it happened was after another shut down like what I explained above with error 00111, I was smelling for gas around the 1/2 inch inlet and PRV. I wiggled the inlet and that's when the sound started, without pressing the "START" or any other button. I shut it down with the "STOP" button, waited for 30 seconds, removed the fill nozzle and unplugged the unit. I was hoping this would reset the unit. I waited about 30 seconds and plugged it back in, it immediately turned itself back on and the sound started up all over again. This time I could not stop it by pressing the "STOP" button. I'm screwed aren't I?


    p.s. Should I move this to it's own thread as I don't want to derail this one.

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  • Lakewood90712
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    Re: Phill broken - Now what?

    Normal start is soft start low rpm ramping up then stop , 3 times for leak check. The you tube video did not sound normal at all. Who sold you the unit ? I have never herd of fuelmaker selling refurb units.

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  • BrianS
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    OK now this has happened.

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  • BrianS
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    Re: Phill broke again (No pressure rise error)

    OK I just purchased a 06 refurbished at the factory Phill HRA 1.0v. I also gives me the 00111 no pressure rise.

    I can't smell gas anywhere.
    Can't hear a leak.
    Hose pressures up fine.
    Connect to F150 and after 2-5 minutes I get the error.
    It's fills up fine at quick-fill stations.

    I suspect the break away connection, although I can't smell or detect any leaks there. While unpacking the factory packed unit my helpful friend grabbed the two ends of the hose and connected them. Grrrrr, I have no idea if he did it properly or not and the connection is so tight I can't get it apart. Sigh . . . Help please . . . ?

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  • sjseng
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    Re: Phill broke again (No pressure rise error)

    I'm providing an update to this simple fix.

    Using the Honda Shin-Itsu was not a great idea. The O-ring actualy 'slipped' by the pipping and caused another leak. This was within 1 or 2 weeks of the initial fix. I had to order another O-ring (ordered 4). I installed the new ring with no grease and it has been working just fine. Almost 5000 hrs on my Phill now.

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  • sjseng
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    After a almost two years of being out of commission, I fixed my Phill today thanks to the last two posts. I had a "Non-servicable" error at times and also "Internal gas alarm" error. Replaced the O-ring for $5.00 and it is filling up great! I did use the Shin-Itsu white grease that I also use on the low and High pressure fuel filter o-rings of the Civic GX. We'll see how long it lasts, maybe another year or so. Very easy to repair (once I figured out what it was). I found the O-ring at Applied Indust. Tech. in Fairfield, CA. O-ring Part number size 113.

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  • ciaomane26
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    Re: Phill broke again (No pressure rise error)

    Originally posted by ogdobber View Post
    i don't know if you fixed your problem...but I had the same error code and it was a leaking o-ring. you can see in the picture the "blow-by" I ordered a new o-ring.But for a quick fix, i put some waterproof clear grease on the old o-ring and it never failed again. I put in the new o-ring just for good measure...
    I found that my Phill unit is leaking at the same location as yours. How much and where did you order your o-ring from? Also, did you use any type of grease (ie. silicon grease) on the new o-ring installation? Thanks in advance.

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  • ogdobber
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    i don't know if you fixed your problem...but I had the same error code and it was a leaking o-ring. you can see in the picture the "blow-by" I ordered a new o-ring.But for a quick fix, i put some waterproof clear grease on the old o-ring and it never failed again. I put in the new o-ring just for good measure...
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  • Amfuel
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    Re: Phill broke again (No pressure rise error)

    If you don't put a meter on the incoming gas line, you're just guessing that it is OK. Is there an excess flow valve? Is there a drip leg? Maybe your gas supply is weak or the inlet screen is getting dirty. First you have to be positive that the incoming gas is proper (above 6"wc when running) then you can look at the rest of the possible faults. It is just as important as making sure a dead machine has power to it. It is basic diagnostics.

    You shoud also have a 1 liter test kit to connect and check the actual fill time. I have had complaints of slow fill time and yet the test came in better than nominal. Don't even think about a compression issue without a fill test. Do the tests at the same time of day that the Phill is usually used, if possible.

    Yes, Phill's will have to be restarted many times on tanks that have no initial pressure and the readout will be "low pressure rise".

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  • mikejacobs
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    Re: Phill broke again (No pressure rise error)

    Originally posted by CaptJeff View Post
    PMFJI,
    If you're doing a 'hose fill', as in actuating Phill without being connected to the car, this fills the hose and should ramp up to 5 lights rather quickly and shut off. The fact that it runs for 5 minutes indicates to me that something is amis, but whether it's a compressor or leak problem, I wouldn't know. Doesn't sound like anything associated with gas input at all, though.


    Best,
    Jeff
    No its not associated with gas input

    moore101 you said you have 4200 to 4500 hours on it

    sounds like its near its time. Pumping cng thru a compressors stages has a lot of wear on it. Getting a compressor to maintain those pressures for the hours Phil did for you was Good unit. I would hold off on investing on any repairs.
    Unless you have no choice. then you have too

    If when they come out with a piston overhall kit @ a reasonable price

    I think piston seal kit should be not around the 500 dollar range.

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  • mikejacobs
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    Re: Phill broke again (No pressure rise error)

    Originally posted by CaptJeff View Post
    PMFJI,
    If you're doing a 'hose fill', as in actuating Phill without being connected to the car, this fills the hose and should ramp up to 5 lights rather quickly and shut off. The fact that it runs for 5 minutes indicates to me that something is amis, but whether it's a compressor or leak problem, I wouldn't know. Doesn't sound like anything associated with gas input at all, though.

    I've heard of a 'no pressure rise' error when trying to fill a tank that was run very empty, (ran out, waited a minute, ran a little more, etc.) and the person had to restart phill many times to get enough pressure to get it going...

    Best,
    Jeff
    Jeff,

    Yes if the tank is run empty or a new one never filled you will have to restart

    Phill many times to get enough pressure to get it going... If you have a station by you its quicker to get it filled there first then top it off with phil after a use...

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