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  • Lakewood90712
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    Re: Eco-Fueler is on its way.

    Try this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware . It just may provide some insight . I don't think they are trying to cheat anyone , but how about ECO FUELER having a beta test VRA at an alternative energy event.
    Last edited by Lakewood90712; 07-12-2009, 02:16 PM.

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  • SimiValley
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    You send eco-fueler an e-mail, and it gets returned undeliverable, mailbox overflowing.

    Obviously they dont pick up emails, questions, or reply to anything.

    Pretty sad.

    Maybe some of those emails have a way for them to get money, or not.

    But if they do this with customer requests, just imagine how they will be when you buy a unit, and need service.

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  • Franz
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    UL or equal certification with confirmatory testing can cost up to half a mill, especially with a relatively new device with no VRA track record. Its not a matter of scale of size, each iteration has to be certified. No insurance underwriter will issue a blanket liability policy on an unproven product.

    They have to sell a lot of units to justify the testing.

    Case in point; I am a partner to a patent on a product. I wanted to sell it to ****, but before they would accept it, I had to do 10 confirmation tests, without fail. If any single test failed, the entire sequence had to be restarted. EACH test was $30,000.00, pass or fail. This was after developmental research and other non-baised testing was performed. I have chosed not to participate in the tests. My total sales would not equal the monies expended on development and certification.

    Ouch.

    Franz

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  • freedml
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    Two things make it expensive -- 3600psi and Natural (combustible) Gas. Other things contribute -- low inlet pressure and liability insurance.

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  • MarkFeagins
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    I didn't see anything on their website about their home refueling device or how to become a dealer for it. Did I miss something?

    Also, please REPLY with any other companies making home refueling stations. It just doesn't make sense that a little hydraulic cylinder operated by an electric motor ( I guess) should cost $2,000. The technology can't be that complicated. People have been compressing gases for 50 years..............so there should be some available patents that have expired.

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  • Lakewood90712
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    The dream of every Shadetree Mechanic , to have "Investors" fund the hobby of building custom cars ( Uh , I mean motor tricycles with a fiberglass body), even if never going into production . Count me in. When do I get my first paycheck.

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  • CraziFuzzy
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    The amazing thing is that they've been hyping their car and compressor for years now.. and just now they make the 'resolution' to START THE PROCESS of making it ready for production.

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  • Gerben
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    You cannot make a home refueling device using that patent. Impossible to certify it as such. Maybe a VRA.

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  • jschaub
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    Originally posted by nttrainer View Post
    Several of the top executives list experience related to compressors.

    John S. Green, Chairman of the Board of Directors

    Pioneer of hydraulic compression and was issued a method patent by the U.S. Patent office.
    I assume Mr. Green's patent is U.S. Patent No. 5,863,186 (attached). I do not question the author and/or the inventor's technical expertise. But given that the broadest patent claim is over 80 lines long, I doubt this patent has ever been successfully asserted against an entity. Less is more.
    Attached Files

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  • nttrainer
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    Originally posted by CH-4 View Post
    Clever but no cigar, Wayne Stevens is the only one with the possible know-how regarding compressors.
    Several of the top executives list experience related to compressors.

    John S. Green, Chairman of the Board of Directors

    Pioneer of hydraulic compression and was issued a method patent by the U.S. Patent office. In 1996 he founded O'Green Industries and serves as its' Chairman. He has extensive experience in research and development related to gas compression technologies, as well as practical know-how in machine design, hydraulic system design, fluidics, and electronics.

    Jim Davis, President

    Has many years experience in the field of hydraulics. He was president of Haskell, Inc., Controls Division, in Burbank , California , a $200 million company that specializes in the manufacturing and sales of high-pressure compressor systems and hydro-mechanical and gas components.

    Asif Ansari, Vice-President of Engineering, O'Green Industries

    Asif Ansari is on loan to Eco-Fueler Corporation from O'Green Compressors, Inc. as Director of Engineering.

    and finally,
    Wayne Stevens, Vice-President of Operations, O'Green Industries

    Wayne Stevens is on loan to Eco-Fueler Corporation from O'Green Compressors, Inc.

    I don't know any of them personally but it seems that there is some expertise in there.

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  • lcovelli
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    Yea, pretty funny. The Email I got from Jerry seemed like he had them ready to sell and take over FM demand.

    Thinking positive, if it's the only option we've got... Sign me up. Don't care if they misspell the name on their product.. as long as it pumps the CH4 to spec. I'm happy.

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  • jblue
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    http://eco-fueler.com/buy/reserve_a_roadster.html
    The “Roadster Reservation Certificate” is printed in color and is suitable for framing.
    Boy howdy .. that is just dandy! Yes sir, anything suitable for framing is worth having *and* it is printed in color, no less.

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  • CH-4
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    Originally posted by nttrainer View Post
    Actually I think their expertise is more in compressors than in building vehicles.

    Read the bios and see if you come to the same conclusion that I did.

    http://eco-fueler.com/about/our_team.html

    But it all takes money and that seems to be what they are lacking right now.
    Clever but no cigar, Wayne Stevens is the only one with the possible know-how regarding compressors.

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  • nttrainer
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    Re: Eco-Fueler is on its way.

    Actually I think their expertise is more in compressors than in building vehicles.

    Read the bios and see if you come to the same conclusion that I did.

    http://eco-fueler.com/about/our_team.html

    But it all takes money and that seems to be what they are lacking right now.
    Last edited by nttrainer; 04-22-2009, 05:34 PM.

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  • cngaz
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    Builds confidence when they are so well backed their factory is on furlough.
    Another under capitalized company still trying to pump everyone they can for more money and has not produced anything in production yet after how many years?

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