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  • Curtis
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    NGV'ers in general like to pencil out, spreadsheet and flowchart every aspect of the NGV experience. Fuelmaker will be the first to tell you that the Phill unit isn't meant to pencil out. It is solely a convenience factor, which has a value that many discount.

    Many here prefer the larger FM units, such as the FM4 and FM2-36, which make more sense in the long run, assuming you can pick up a good used unit for around the price of the Phill. We have threads in this forum that give the pro's and cons of both. Home refueling is a major convenience for many, even if it's not a savings overall. You'll have to weigh the arguements for yourself.

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  • sjseng
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    Originally posted by CNGLO View Post
    Remember to include in your calculations the cost of the rebuild on the Phill and the time value of the money that you used to buy the Phill or will use to rebuild it.
    How about the time value and mileage cost to go to a public filling station? Right now I have $0.00 time cost to get fuel since it is always done when I am at home with a Phill unit. To get fuel for me would be a minimum of 10 - 15 miles out of my way and the cost of fuel to get there every day.

    Everyones situation is different, so you have to figure out what is best for you. For me, the value of getting home sooner and not have to fight with more stop lights and traffic out weighs the cost of the unit.

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  • CNGLO
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    Originally posted by Curtiss Bradford View Post
    I was wondering...what is the break even point between filling at home and fueling at a station.
    My stats, Phill, (about 2500 hrs.);
    So. Cal. gas, I've rerated to the $.99 tarrif (how to take into account that all my home use is cheaper now);
    I figured about $.10 per hour at the Edison rates, (but I didn't figure with the detail that the rest of you report):
    vs. $1.49 at the So. Cal Gas Field Station in Pasadena, Ca (seems cheap)
    So at what dollar per Gal equivalent do I fill-up away from home?

    Curtiss
    99 Civic (think I found a mechanic to rebuild engine)
    04 F-150 (I love this truck)
    Remember to include in your calculations the cost of the rebuild on the Phill and the time value of the money that you used to buy the Phill or will use to rebuild it.

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  • Curtiss Bradford
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    I was wondering...what is the break even point between filling at home and fueling at a station.
    My stats, Phill, (about 2500 hrs.);
    So. Cal. gas, I've rerated to the $.99 tarrif (how to take into account that all my home use is cheaper now);
    I figured about $.10 per hour at the Edison rates, (but I didn't figure with the detail that the rest of you report):
    vs. $1.49 at the So. Cal Gas Field Station in Pasadena, Ca (seems cheap)
    So at what dollar per Gal equivalent do I fill-up away from home?

    Curtiss
    99 Civic (think I found a mechanic to rebuild engine)
    04 F-150 (I love this truck)

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  • jeepzz
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    Originally posted by djkenney View Post
    So, when refueling in your garage, do you pay the same $/decatherm as you do to heat your house?
    I too would like to know more about this pricing and I'm also located in Utah.
    Those of you in Utah, do you have a separate meter and/or pay different pricing for your home fueling station? I know about coming changes the Utah PSC has in mind and I'm wondering if it will also affect the home fueling prices with special meters to price gouge us at home.

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  • OKGX
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    I'm currently in the process of installing a FMQ 2-36 for my small business at my house. If you are not a company, the Phill unit is your best option for one vehicle, although the FMQ 2-36 is better in the long run. Go to www.fuelmaker.com for more info. Neither of the systems are cheap unless you qualify for tax breaks. In OK the state will credit 50% of the cost for a fueler and installation on your income tax and the feds will credit another $1000. Not sure what Missouri offers. Honda will contribute to the cost if you buy a new Honda Civic GX at the same time (again if you are a company on this one). There is a certified installer in St. Louis, Alternative Fuel Systems, Inc. 314-892-6504. I would call them for more information on possible state tax credits.

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  • lbliss
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    Are there any of these for Sale?
    I am in St Louis and was just quoted by our gas company the ist would be $11,500 for one of these units.
    This is from the guy who is supposed to be promoting CNG.

    Thanks
    Lon

    Originally posted by TheBundo View Post
    Get a manual and do it yourself. Pull your own permit, have the required inspections, etc. In my case, since I'm so busy, I probably will have my wife do it.

    However, if you had to go to college, it may be too hard to figure out

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  • Curtis
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    The unit runs about $4000 + install, which will vary with the work needed to install it. There's a $1000 tax credit, and if you're in the South Coast AQMD's area, a $2000 buy down on a purchase (or lease) of the Phill. To buy you call FM at 1-866-my-phill.
    To lease you call Christina at 1-310-781-4450, and tell her Curtis sent you.

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  • boo
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    i read this thread very interesting...i am new to this...i'm from california..southern....we have many fueling stations ranging from $2.71 to $3.30 gge.... my question how much Fm cost to install at home? that's including parts and labor. Do I need to contact my gas company for installation? i am just looking for an estimate not exect quote.

    thanks...boo

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  • Devo
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    In some ways a VRA (Vehicle Refueling Appliance) is like a house - both hold or increase in value. However, not many people downgrade either one to capture the gain, so it's essentially a sunk cost (unless you swap to public fueling or get out of the CNG market and can realize the gain by selling the VRA).

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  • Curtis
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    Originally posted by djkenney View Post
    So, when refueling in your garage, do you pay the same $/decatherm as you do to heat your house?
    Most Ca gas co's discount for home refueling with either a separate, or the household meter. Rates will vary for both.

    When you ask a question, the answer most times depends on where you live. Incentives vary greatly across the country, so specify your location so we can answer more accurately.

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  • CNGfamily
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    Originally posted by djkenney View Post
    So, when refueling in your garage, do you pay the same $/decatherm as you do to heat your house?
    It may depend on where you live, but in both Chandler and Mesa Arizona, you are separately metered and the cost is different per unit (Therm with SW Gas and Mesa Utilities)

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  • djkenney
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    So, when refueling in your garage, do you pay the same $/decatherm as you do to heat your house?

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  • cngaz
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    Aaron had dropped by and saw there was no longer an error.
    I'll call you, the repairs are no where near the cost of a new
    FMQ2-36.

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  • Johnlaroux
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    Dave I was getting an alarm in the incorrect mode (green light flashing) with the red light steady and yellow light flashing with the stop button depressed. Manual says failure of blowdown system. I managed to get it reset and filled the car and when done filling I received the same alarm. That is when I called you about the problem. When I didnt hear back from you I went out and turned on the power to the pump and the alarm had reset and the pump is now working with no alarms. This is why If I bought a new GX I would want a new FMQ-2-36 as the pump I have seems like it might become unreliable, and im sure the armature assembly and computer cost near what a new pump is. John

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