Noise Concern???

[RORDOG]

I have been thinking about installing a PHILL in my garage. Does any one have an idea of how loud the PHILL is? Will I have angry neighbors? Will I be able to sleep at night?

Also what would be the cost per gallon with the Phill at home? I live in Utah.

Thanks!

[CaptJeff]

Re: Noise Concern???

I have Phill, and It's hard to hear through a wall with my computer disk drive running. It's much quieter than a clothes dryer.
Cost- Depends on your natural gas rate, and do they have a NGV refueling rate (doesn't reduce the gas cost but the delivery cost) like we do here in SoCal with SoCal Gas?
Jeff

[cngaz]

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Outside of the garage all you are going to hear is the exhaust fan and the air coming out the exhaust vent, a lot quieter than a drier or air conditiong unit.
Even the larger outdoor FMQ2-36 is quieter than a drier or AC unit.
We have not had any noise complaints here in 8+ years, 400+ units installed.
Phill HRA 40 dBA at 16.5'
FMQ VRA 49 dBA at 16.5'

You would need to ask Questar your pricing question or any of the Utah Chat Members.
In Arizona last month I was at 1.16 per gallon.

[John Mitton]

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Dave, what are your home fuel rates per therm in Arizona? Last I checked were are around 90 cents which I figure puts me just over a dollar per gallon when I fuel at home here in Utah. Getting back on topic, my outdoor FM is really quiet, much less than our air conditioning unit and about the same as my dishwasher.

[cngaz]

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I'll have to pull it back out and check, unfortunately in AZ you could be with 3 different gas companies depending on where you live. Its easier for one company to promote it statewide like Utah.

[cngaz]

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On the City of Mesa Gas system, we were at .928 per therm.

we recently checked a customers invoice in Chandler from Southwest gas and it was .792 per therm, but there is some fluctuation
per area, even under the same gas company.

[John Mitton]

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OK, so back to the original poster's question, in Utah you are going to be right around a dollar per gallon refeuling at home.

[OhMyGas]

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Don't forget to add aprox. another $1.6 per gallon for the cost of the unit (PHILL & Inatllation) for the first 6000h of operation.
In my case I paid $4000 for both the PHILL and the install (Incl. a $2000 instant CARB rebate), which is good for 6000h of operation, in which I can fill 2460 gge.

[CNGfamily]

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Just a quick note on total cost... FM2 are a bit less expensive v.s. Phill over the long term; (recurring cost for a 4000 hr rebuild on a FM2 v.s. 6000 hr, but less fuel dispensed, for Phill). When there are no incentives, it does take a while to recover the initial cost of either unit. On the other hand, it's really nice to fill up at home and not bother with commercial refueling at all.

[John Mitton]

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I think of my FM-Q2-36 as I would home furniture; buy it once and use it the rest of your life + some maintenance costs now and then. Oh, and you might also consider getting a remote panel to fill inside the garage (the FM must be outside, however).

Here is why I passed on Phill

http://www.cngchat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23

[cngaz]

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Sorry to contradict you John, Indoor fueling with a FMQ VRA is only for commercial purposes with a lot of added equipment to qualify for NFPA 52 guidelines.
The only FuelMaker equipment authorized to fuel in a residential garage at any time is a Phill HRA.

We have indoor FuelMakers for commercial fueling such as forklifts and ice rinks, but only Phill is for indoor residential.

The residential remote panels we install are still outside for outdoor fueling, and get the actual Fuelmaker out of sight to keep everyone happy and is less intrusive on the neighborhood. I have a photo of mine in the photo gallery, in a HOA it would be around the corner on the side of the garage and usually painted to match the house.

(Note- Its easier to avoid Home Owner Associations if at all possible when looking for a home that will have natural gas fueling, it also saves time and money if the electric and gas service are on the garage side of the house when you are looking to move)

[freedml]

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Let's see, I paid $2000 for my FMQ2-36 with remote fueling panel about 3 years ago. It's now worth probably $4000-$6000. So far, my FMQ is paying ME to own it!

[freedml]

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If you install a compressor at home in Utah, you are doing so strictly for convenience. In So Cal we fuel at home and only when we have to at commercial stations. In Utah you would do the opposite -- fuel as much as possible at public dispensers and only for convenience when at home.

[cngaz]

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In Arizona you are not going to fast fill unless you want to drive just about down town. Fueling at home is the only option for the faithfull.

[Sarco99]

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Just had my phill installed today and it was much quieter than i thought. A clothes dryer is a pretty good comparison inside the garage and outside near the vent.