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  • revolution cng systems
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    Regulation in this country is a double-edged sword. It makes doing business harder and more frustrating - as a CNG guy trying to work in California I can attest to that. But it also helps keep junk like the Galileo out of industry, which is a good thing. It helps set a high bar for performance and for safety and that is how you play the 'long game'. Don't forget, our good friends at SoCalGas were ALSO the guys who hailed the 'Hurricane' as the next great breakthrough in CNG technology - now they are touting the Galileo. I for one am glad they are leading the charge - they are the only organization I can think of with enough money to waste on a fools errand such as this without going bankrupt. A strong argument can be made for learning everything NOT to get involved in, by looking at the machines SoCal has endorsed: Fuelmaker, Hurricane, Galileo.....

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  • trdscfjc
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    so they are overpriced and have issues....sounds like a great deal !

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  • 300mileclub
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    More about the SoCalGas Microbox evaluation in Riverside, and Galileo replacement by Kwik Trip was found in these two threads:

    Home > Forum > Welcome > In The News > SoCalGas Brings Galileo CNG Refuelling Microbox to USA

    . . This is a test only, with which there have been issues already. I cant talk about what the issues are, but there is still work to be done by Galileo before these are prime-time fare for US markets . .

    . . So they can use a Galileo Mcro-box in CA???? What about the minimum clearances in NFPA 52?
    Requirements: 15ft between storage and compressor, 3ft between storage and dispenser.
    A mobile IMW skid is 24ft long and the clearances can be adhered to with that length . .

    Home > Forum > Welcome > In The News > Kwik Trip Opens 28th CNG Station

    . . Kwik Trip replaced the Galileo compressors while still under warranty. They are using Ariel now . .

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  • trdscfjc
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    Originally posted by berg1 View Post
    Re: Galileo "station in a box" in Riverside

    What is the cost of a nanobox?
    I looked into the nano box (the smallest of galileos station offerings) and cost was 250,000 to 500,000 , compressor is capable of 12-20 GGE a hour depending on inlet pressure...what a joke

    a much better option is http://www.mckenziecorp.com/compression_packages.htm

    13.5-28 GGE/Hr. for 5 psi inlet, 20psi inlet single compressor packages with Ingersoll rand being the compressor supplier...iirc cost was 50,000$

    another option is Coltri MCH10 or 24 and do 5-12 GGE/Hr., couple that to a Tulsa gas dispenser and a small 3 tube storage tank and you could have a nice little station for under 20,000-30,000$

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  • trdscfjc
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    I looked into the nano box (the smallest of galileos station offerings) and cost was 250,000 to 500,000 , compressor is capable of 12-20 GGE a hour depending on inlet pressure...what a joke

    a much better option is http://www.mckenziecorp.com/compression_packages.htm

    13.5-28 GGE/Hr. for 5 psi inlet, 20psi inlet single compressor packages with Ingersoll rand being the compressor supplier...iirc cost was 50,000$

    another option is Coltri MCH10 or 24 and do 5-12 GGE/Hr., couple that to a Tulsa gas dispenser and a small 3 tube storage tank and you could have a nice little station for under 20,000-30,000$

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  • trdscfjc
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    I looked into the nano box (the smallest of galileos station offerings) and cost was 250,000 to 500,000 , compressor is capable of 12-20 GGE a hour depending on inlet pressure...what a joke

    a much better option is http://www.mckenziecorp.com/compression_packages.htm

    13.5-28 GGE/Hr. for 5 psi inlet, 20psi inlet single compressor packages with Ingersoll rand being the compressor supplier...iirc cost was 50,000$

    another option is Coltri MCH10 or 24 and do 5-12 GGE/Hr., couple that to a Tulsa gas dispenser and a small 3 tube storage tank and you could have a nice little station for under 20,000-30,000$

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  • 300mileclub
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    Galileo NANO BOX listed by City of Ankeny Iowa offered at $75K on eBay ended without a sale 11 Feb 2016. Flow rate given is 840 gge/hr (50 Nm3/min). Street view on Google shows unit where it was installed at city yard in Iowa with work trucks and refuse trucks (last photo.)

    http://me-cng.com/uploads/GALILEO_-_NanoBox.pdf

    It may be that the larger Galileo MICRO BOX unit that had been installed at the SoCalGas - Riverside Base CNG public station a decade ago was later replaced with another brand.

    I referred to street views of Riverside and Ankeny to see that the units had actually been installed and were operational. SoCalGas is a private utility and City of Ankeny is government. The SoCalGas MICRO BOX may not have been left in service (replaced) due to performance or permitting. As a government agency, Ankeny was able to use its system but now finds itself unable to sell it because of the low cost of other fuels; or the asking price is too high. Or, possibly, because non-government buyers fear they cant get government permit departments to approve a system made in Brazil and used internationally.

    Of added curiosity is the inset photo in the lower right of the specification page. A NANO BOX is installed on top of the fuel station canopy to save space!

    CNG_Nano.pngCNG_Nano_eBay.png cng_riverside_SoCal.png CNG_Nano_TylerTX.png

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  • 300mileclub
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    Re: Galileo "station in a box" in Riverside

    As I recall, in 2011 the Microbox was installed in the same enclosure as the existing CNG station at SoCal's Riverside facililty. It had a yellow tape around it - I was told it was put there by weights and measures who hadn't come up with a way check the dispenser readout. Later I heard it had cleared inspection and was in use.

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  • Lakewood90712
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    Re: Galileo "station in a box" in Riverside

    Bumping an old thread. Did So Cal Gas ever actually install and test the microbox station ?

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  • CNGLO
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    Re: Galileo "station in a box" in Riverside

    Originally posted by SCChris View Post
    Bureaucracy is and has been a major damper to CMG / LGN adoption, IMO. I’m hopeful that the high cost of crude will grease the skids of NGV adoption. I may also be one of a minority, but I sure wish that I had a lower cost 2800 to 3000 psi home fueling device, that was as easy to install, read low bureaucratic overhead, as a new range, dryer or water heater. I don’t often need 3600 psi, just a dependable 3 to 4 GGE nightly.

    Chris
    07 GX

    Here, here! Even 2 GGE nightly would satisfy most commuters (at least those outside of Southern California). That's about the range of the Nissan Leaf.

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  • SCChris
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    Re: Galileo "station in a box" in Riverside

    Bureaucracy is and has been a major damper to CMG / LGN adoption, IMO. I’m hopeful that the high cost of crude will grease the skids of NGV adoption. I may also be one of a minority, but I sure wish that I had a lower cost 2800 to 3000 psi home fueling device, that was as easy to install, read low bureaucratic overhead, as a new range, dryer or water heater. I don’t often need 3600 psi, just a dependable 3 to 4 GGE nightly.

    Chris
    07 GX

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    Re: Galileo "station in a box" in Riverside

    Curtis is right . . . this is not rocket science as plenty of other countries are installing thousands of small, medium and large public cng refueling stations that do NOT cost a million bucks a site!! Major branded stations like Shell with Galieo station equipment exist all over the place in countries like Argentina, Phillipines, etc.

    Believe it . . . . the world is NOT flat . . . . and there are OTHER ways to get cng stations than CE/GE !!

    USA is just so bureaucratically / politically / stupidly . . . . stuck in the mud that CNG isn't taking off like it should! Let's shake off the shackles of CE and get these affordable cng public pumps All Across The USA !!

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  • Curtis
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    Re: Galileo "station in a box" in Riverside

    Self contained "Skids" are nothing new. In fact, there are even companies, like Mid Coast Gas, that have a self contained station on a mobile trailer. Just add the dispenser and you're in business. This saves time and problems with the permitting process, as a dispenser is easier to permit than a station. The trailer is chained down to secure it and you have a station in a fraction of the time, but even this is not new.

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  • cripple_rooster
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    Re: Galileo "station in a box" in Riverside

    Argentina has a huge fleet of CNG-powered vehicles, but since China became the biggest automotive market it can possibly become the world's #1 market for CNG. BTW these CNG home refueling stations can be a good option but are forbidden where I live.

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  • berg1
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    Re: Galileo "station in a box" in Riverside

    What is the cost of a nanobox?

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