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  • Cng Todd
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    Since were talking about Free Gass I was wondering if there would be anyone to offer me some advice with regards to the gas well on our farm. It provides 50 psi and is regulated at the house for normal use of appliances.
    In the summer the well remains constant @50 psi because of minimal useage,
    but in the winter the well can be depleted in a few days. Thats when I get
    the fireplace going! The gas well will then need a few days to replenish.
    I have 3-1000 and 1- 500 gallon propane tank in the field for storage and I was thinking of getting a couple more untill I came upon this site.
    1) Would it be possible/feasable to install some sort of in-line compressor to increase the pressure of the tanks to address the volume issue? It is considered a "dry well" and Ive only pumped it once 10 years ago. I have never had a problem in the 12 years Ive lived here.
    2) Can anyone possibly estimate the amount of volume in these 4 tanks? @ 50 psi I can run the well dry with my pool heater that draws 300,000 BTS's in about 10 hours.
    Cng Todd

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    Curtis,

    Got the point !! That's why I referred to Safety issue. I wouldn't touch such a thing either, as it's not worth it. If modified post above ought to be deleted, let me know, as I surely will delete it.

    Fuelmaker for now, and maybe later GasFill from England or Gas At Home from Netherlands, as competition later.
    Last edited by cngacrossusa; 03-18-2008, 01:00 AM.

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  • Curtis
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    I would like it known that the ideas, ill advised as some may be, are not those of cngchat.com. Anyone that wishes to experiment with conversions of equipment for purposes other than it's originally intended purpose is on your own. If you blow your butt up trying something you read here, consider yourself warned that the stakeholders of this site told you it was a bad idea right up front, and you didn't listen.

    It's one thing to make a red-neck jacuzzi in the back of a pickup truck with a waterbed matress and a Kirby vaccuum. It's another to try and make a piece of equipment, like a Phill, with a high pressure washer and a garden hose. Dont do it... in fact, step away from your screwdriver and keep your hands in plain sight for the duration of this blog... And cngacrossusa... don't encourage him!

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    Only thing I've heard of as substitute cng compressor is super-duty air compressor that has 2,200 to 3,000 psi capability - - like super high-end scuba tanks. Army formerly had some of these as I've seen an American Bristol SIAC model that one particular guy on Craigslist said he used to fill his Contour with cng. Original price Army paid was in $20,000 to $25,000 range and longevity of these were long since they were very well built ; however, research I did with compressor repair vendor said these are OBSOLETE and took 12 weeks leadtime to get parts from UK. Guy said original owner bought at Army surplus auction, but you would have to know what you're doing . . ie safety first!! Stay with something you can be assured is safe, reliable, and can get rebuilt. Thus, I'd say stick with Fuelmaker!!

    I've also read somewhere that Army is actually using some cng in some vehicles so they likely have an alternate vendor to Fuelmaker that makes mobile VRA ; in say 5 years those specifically engineered products for cng compression might be available for public sale.

    USA just needs competition to Fuelmaker from other countries like GasFill in England or Gas At Home from Netherlands. Only then will street price of Fuelmakers (both Phill and fmq2-36) drop to reasonable levels in USA. But then again, it's only money!
    Last edited by cngacrossusa; 03-18-2008, 01:08 AM.

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  • OhMyGas
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    Just another thought:
    could one convert a high-pressure washer to compact the natural gas instead of water? I gues one has to improve cooling of the unit and maybe seperate the motor from the compressor, and make sure all seals are tight.
    It would be a cheep alternative.

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    Great to hear you are adding a cng compressor for your natural gas well. I met another cng user in Pennsylvania who has same situation as you; while helping him research, I learned from a Canada cng contact that you can actually build a natural gas dryer yourself !! Yep, takes basic parts like pvc pipe, etc.

    You may need to talk with Fuelmaker rep about regulator for maximum pressure that can come into Fuelmaker. Also, I don't know whether the dryer would have to be before the regulator, or after. In general, normal pipeline quality home-use natural gas is around 7 psi.

    Back to the PA guy with well, see website that he put together documenting his gas well being put in, and subsequent natural gas dryer that he built himself. Looks like very cost efficient setup. He even lists all specific parts needed and suppliers he used!! See at:
    http://littlemetalshop.com/

    Also likely you will want some storage, so look into setting up a small cascade of cng tanks so you'll have your own fast-fill when you're done.

    Good luck . . . and SPREAD THE WORD about terrific benefits of CNG !!

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Free natural gas 50 ft away . . Wow, I'd help trench the line & install everything if I was your neighbor!!

    Check Ebay also as $15,000 to $30,000 would get you a used explosion-proof compressor, even capable of cng fueling for small fleet (either electric motor or natural gas engine).

    Another great resource is David Bowgen who has the public cng pump in Springfield, MO and some used cng equipment as well. His information is on the Alternative Fuels Data Center at
    http://afdcmap2.nrel.gov/locator/findpane.asp
    He would be my first phone call if I were in your shoes.

    Finally, given your situation, I would definitely recommend you have storage so you have your own fast-fill cng station.

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  • cngmike
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    No books that I know of. the standard gas appliance operates on 7"WC. (1/4"Psi.) I wold not be surprised that you don't already have a regulator where the gas comes into the house. don't feel bad about asking questions thats what we are here for.

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  • snelson
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    Thanks cngMike.

    Are there any good books out there for me to educate myself better before asking more "bad" questions to the forum? The house already is hooked into the gas well (how I don't know). I was hoping I could add a Fuelmaker to the existing lines just like I would add any gas appliance...get the right fittings and away I go.

    Thanks
    snelson

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  • John Mitton
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    Re: Fill station equipment for well gas??

    Wow, free gas. That would be great. I am going to merge this thread with another one that was started a little while ago in the CNG Main Forum, so you will now see lots of wisdom following my post from the other discussion!

    I see that the Fuelmaker dealer for Kansas is our good friend Tom Sewell of Tulsa Gas Technologies.
    http://fuelmaker.com/Dealers/usdealers.htm

    He is an active member of our online community with the screen name TOMTGT. You can call him or just click on his name in the post below to send a Personal Message via this web site.
    http://cngchat.com/forum/showpost.ph...97&postcount=6

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  • cngmike
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    Re: Fill station equipment for well gas??

    You can use a Fuelmaker you will just have to add a regulator before the compressor. I would look at for a fm2 or 4. instead of a phill.

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  • snelson
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    Fill station equipment for well gas??

    Hello-

    I am new to country living and my new home has a working gas well. The home uses 35psi of the 225psi well. Are there home products I can use for well gas? It sounds like the Phil is not rated for well gas?

    Thank you,
    Shawn

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  • cngmike
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    Hydrogen sulfide or h2s is the chemical compound with the formula H2S. This colorless, toxic and flammable gas is responsible for the foul odor of rotten eggs and flatulence. It often results from the bacterial break down of organic matter in the absence of oxygen, such as in swamps and sewers (anaerobic digestion). It also occurs in volcanic gases, natural gas and some well waters. The odor of H2S is commonly misattributed to elemental sulfur, which is in fact odorless. Hydrogen sulfide has numerous names, some of which are archaic. when mixed with moister makes sulfuric acid.

    The term "BTU" is used to describe the heat value of fuels, and also to describe the power of heating and cooling systems, such as furnaces, stoves, barbecue grills, and air conditioners.

    If it was my well I would find a local lab that could pull a sample off my well and run it through a gas chromatograph. This would tell me if the gas from my well was suitable for this use.

    The first thing you need to do is size the compressor you need. compressors are rated my cubic feet per minuet (cfm). You'll need to figure out how many gallons a day you use (be generous). The rule of thumb is 120 cubic feet per gas gallon equivalent. Multiply the needed gallons by 120 and divide this by the minutes available to fuel the vehicles (estimate the minimum usually over night). This is referred to as timed fill. As for dryers there are 2 types of dryers low pressure inlet dryers and high pressure outlet dryers. The main deciding point on which type of dryer to use is the moisture content of the gas from your well and the needed through put (cfm) of the compressor. I still have contacts with used equipment. once you get further along.

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  • CNG MOTORS
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    you will have to purchase seperate from the VRA. In Fact Fuelmaker does nto recommend use with anything other than pipeline quality NG. But I've known many people who have one this with out any problems.

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  • kipunruh
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    Originally posted by CNG MOTORS View Post
    Buy any CNG vehicles you want except a Contour, get a FMQ2 (not a PHILL) VRA, you'll need a dryer and filter for the well and a regulator to bring down the preassure. And a 220 single phase power source.
    Thanks for the advise! I actually have two regulators working to be able to use the gas for my house and barn. I don't have a filter or dryer. Does that come with a FMQ2 VRA or is it a completely seperate fixture attachment?

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