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    All,
    I am sorry to say that I was quoted $8,500 for a home unit here in St Louis Mo from the local fuelmaker dealer.
    Right now they only want to deal with busnesses with fleets of vehicles.
    Right now though $8500 for the home fueling device and another $2500 for conversion, I cannot afford to convert.

    I could convert my car if there were some public stations available.

    There has to be a national push to lower these prices or get public gas stations. I think though that our Congress and Senators are getting too much money from big oil to push these idea.

    I mean really have you ever seen any thing come out of a Congessional Hearing or investigation of the oil companies?

    Thanks but the cost here is St Louis is just too high to convert anything to CNG.
    Thanks
    Lon

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    Re: Cost too much for conversion

    Originally posted by lbliss View Post
    I mean really have you ever seen any thing come out of a Congessional Hearing or investigation of the oil companies?
    How about an Justice Department investigation?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...00948220080729
    Robert '07 GX

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    • #3
      Re: Cost too much for conversion

      I might suggest that any conversion that you could get for $2500 is not going to be a legal, EPA certified conversion and probably would be only an uninstalled kit, less the tank. Do a bit of reading in the conversions forum and you'll understand.

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      • #4
        Re: Cost too much for conversion

        Originally posted by lbliss View Post
        There has to be a national push to lower these prices or get public gas stations. I think though that our Congress and Senators are getting too much money from big oil to push these idea.

        I mean really have you ever seen any thing come out of a Congessional Hearing or investigation of the oil companies?
        I still fail to see how it is the government's job at all to 'push' any prices. CNG adoption is a slow process, because of the need for infrastructure developement. The reason it starts with large fleets, and buslines is that is where the highest payoff is. The implementation cost compared to the payoff is very low. Once this happens at the fleet level, you start to get some public station availability, and a few private and small business vehicles start trickling in. As the numbers of cars grows, the market gets to where there is enough sustainable demand that fully for-profit fueling stations start to emerge, and survive. This is where California is right now, with Clean Energy buying up a lot of the public stations, and even new stations being built as wholly privatly owned facilities.

        Personally, I believe what Utah did with the CNG Price fixing was the wrong thing to do, and that sort of action wouldn't be tollerated in most other markets. Natural forces will bring CNG to market, but the only way for it to be a stable market is to let it take care of itself.

        Who here thinks the CNG Market in Utah (and subsequently, it's nationwide effects and skyrocketting corruption/illegal activity) are good for CNG?
        1997 Factory Crown Victoria w/ extended tanks ~~ Clunkerized!
        2000 Bi-Fuel Expedition --> ~~ Sold ~~ <--

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        • #5
          Re: Cost too much for conversion

          Don't give up yet - there will be a couple new refueling units coming out very soon to compete with FM. I know this to be true because we are one of the companies designing one. Twice as fast, lasts 3-4 times longer and will be under $4,000. We will be launching our seperate product website very soon and you can read all about it. Hang in there!!!

          All the Best

          Bill Saks
          Bear Creek SUV
          www.bearcreeksuv.com
          866.929.5728 - toll free

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          • #6
            Re: Cost too much for conversion

            [QUOTE=UtahGasBill;15334]Don't give up yet - there will be a couple new refueling units coming out very soon to compete with FM. I know this to be true because we are one of the companies designing one. Twice as fast, lasts 3-4 times longer and will be under $4,000. We will be launching our seperate product website very soon and you can read all about it. Hang in there!!!

            What does "very soon" mean? I've heard this term used before, and it is usually used quite loosely.


            Dan

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            • #7
              Re: Cost too much for conversion

              Originally posted by UtahGasBill View Post
              Don't give up yet - there will be a couple new refueling units coming out very soon to compete with FM. I know this to be true because we are one of the companies designing one. Twice as fast, lasts 3-4 times longer and will be under $4,000. We will be launching our seperate product website very soon and you can read all about it. Hang in there!!!

              All the Best

              Bill Saks
              Bear Creek SUV
              www.bearcreeksuv.com
              866.929.5728 - toll free
              Wow! If you can pull that off it will be a major home run for everyone (car owners, dealers, converters, Questar ,kit makers, smog haters).

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              • #8
                Re: Cost too much for conversion

                Is this HRA going to be certified in each state as a Home Appliance, like the Phill, or sold as commercial like the FM series?

                Is it outdoor only?
                What is your anticipated timeline?
                Have you gotten any outside grant funding? I would suggest that this might be serious possibility to cover the R&D, as well as the certification process.

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