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  • #16
    Re: LEGAL non-EPA conversions

    these are the things us rookies need to know.the price factor.lpg vs cng.
    have to admit i still want lp as i can bury a 1000 gallon tank in the back yard and never worry about short term un availability of gasoline.
    cng sounds good right up until cap n tax passes. but for me i dont want the hassell of a unit to compress the ng.
    does anyone know if someone makes a fuel injection lpg conversion.
    if not i suppose a carburated motor will be required.

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    • #17
      Re: LEGAL non-EPA conversions

      technocarb makes a few lpg converions... no idea if they are still epa certified, or if they've given up on that.
      1997 Factory Crown Victoria w/ extended tanks ~~ Clunkerized!
      2000 Bi-Fuel Expedition --> ~~ Sold ~~ <--

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      • #18
        Re: LEGAL non-EPA conversions

        Originally posted by afvman View Post
        I just got back from the International NGV conference in Brazil and they have a LOT of that vintage still for sale. And, it meets the ISO standards if not ours.
        Usually fitted with CNG fumigation system or a drill in the carburettor to have a CNG line connected in parallel to the gasoline/ethanol line.

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        • #19
          Re: LEGAL non-EPA conversions

          I will try to answer your questions as best I can.

          Originally posted by skip21al
          so basically this thread is saying the only "legal" non-EPA conversion applies to older vehicles. I'm still a little fuzzy on all this EPA and non-EPA. Once a company pays the godfather (EPA) a ton of money they can get a blessing to put a certified kit on a particular "engine A". That same kit can likely be installed on several other "engines B, C, and D", however it will not be "EPA certified". Am I correct?
          Yes, that is correct. In fact, it will only be ceritified for engine "A" for the year that is was installed. Allow me to explain. When a kit manufacturer has a kit EPA certified. It is certified for a specific make, year, and enigne family. And it is only certified for one year. If the kit manufacturer would like to continue having that kit installed on the make, year, and enigne family in following years, then it will have to go through a re-certification process. Example: Baytech will certify a kit for the 2010 GM 6.0L engine (bi-fuel). Let's say that they certified the kit in 2011. But, if Baytech wants to continue to sell this kit as "EPA Certified" in 2012 (keeping in mind that it is still only for the 2010 GM 6.0L engine), then it will have to be re-certified.

          The kit most likely will work for other engines, however, it might make the "check engine" light come on when running on CNG.

          Originally posted by skip21al
          Further... if I put one of these quality "non-EPA certified" kits on my vehicle "engine C" using an ASE Certified mechanic who knows how to install the conversion kit, will the government ever find out?
          The only way the government will find out is if you tell them. I guess the emission testing house could "turn you in", but who would they tell? I don't think that the EPA is going to go after one individual. However, some states are cracking down on non-EPA certified conversions. California is one of them as well as Utah. I will address Utah, because I see that is where you are from. In Utah, the individual County Health Departments control how to address this issue through the emission testings done each year on the vehicle. They may ask to see your "EPA Sticker" which certifies that the conversion is EPA certified. If your vehicle is not EPA certified, then you might fail the emission test and be able to register your vehicle.

          Originally posted by skip21al
          Will I qualify for state tax credits if applicable?
          In the state of Utah, no. To qualify for the state tax credit you must prove that the conversion is EPA certified.

          Originally posted by skip21al
          Does the mechanic have to report to my state that even though the kit and cylinder meets all the FMVSS 304 standards it is still not EPA certified?
          No.
          Jared.
          Mountain Green, Utah
          2003 CNG Cavalier
          2003 CNG Silverado 2500HD

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          • #20
            Re: LEGAL non-EPA conversions

            I asked for details. YouTube videos are a little weak on the install, but still, its information.

            http://www.route66goatgas.com/

            They are working on a second project.

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