Has America begin to produce BioGas?

[taz]

Hi there! .. Begin should be begun in the topic.. Rite? My English is not 100%

A question that comes up in my mind when i read threads on this forum is.. Are you producing any BioGas in America? Since BioGas has almost zero Carbondioxide exhaust/outlet compared with Natural Gas that emits around 80% of what gasoline does..

BioGas is also a renewal fuel (dont know the english word for it) while Natural Gas is a fossile fuel...

In Sweden Biogas is produced from waste from the food industry, private households, restaurants. And also from Wastewater, dung from farms and so on...

In Sweden over 50% of the gas used to power busses, wastecars?, cars are Biogas and is increasing each year to have Sweden dont rely so much on other countries to have fuel (gasoline and natural gas)..

EU has decided that Sweden must lower the Carbondioxide discharge with over 17% until 2020. And 50% of the power supply must be from enviromental friendly sources.. Such as water, wind and sun...

[jetboatjohnny]

Re: Has America begin to produce BioGas?

YES

http://www.greencarcongress.com/lfg/index.html

[taz]

Re: Has America begin to produce BioGas?

LFG? Land Fill Gas? .. That gets converted to CNG? .. Hmm.. Strange to call it the same thing (CNG).. Its called CBG over here when its compressed and cleaned to only methane..

[freedml]

Re: Has America begin to produce BioGas?

"Biogas" is Methane, the same as "Natural Gas." Both will give off the same amount of CO2 when used in a car (although Biogas gives off CO2 during its production also). So, the fuel is the same, just the source is different. Most Biogas in the US is burned at the landfill to make electricity, but there's no reason it couldn't be sold for use in cars.

[jetboatjohnny]

Re: Has America begin to produce BioGas?

From what I have read, LNG is easily converted to CNG.
The company that has the plant in Southern California is supplying the OCTA bus fleet.

[Michael]

Re: Has America begin to produce BioGas?

Sure would be nice if they converted some of that LNG to CNG and set up a public fueling station that the likes of us could use.

[taz]

Re: Has America begin to produce BioGas?

"Biogas" is Methane, the same as "Natural Gas." Both will give off the same amount of CO2 when used in a car (although Biogas gives off CO2 during its production also). So, the fuel is the same, just the source is different. Most Biogas in the US is burned at the landfill to make electricity, but there's no reason it couldn't be sold for use in cars.

You are right on that point that both are Methane. But you are not right on the other stuff there.. I will try to explain.. Even if it can be hard with my limited English knowledge..

Biogas is produced from for example a peace of meat left to rot in a closed chamber. When this meat rot it produces methane.. If that peace instead have been left to rot in nature this methane would have been released into the nature anyway.. (Methane released into the nature reduces the Ozone layer in the stratosphere and is not good for the nature of course..). What im trying to explain is that this methane is already a part of the nature.

Natural gas is a fossile fuel that adds Carbondioxide to the nature that would not have been added if it has not been extracted gas pockets down below.

So to conclude this..
If you drive your car on NaturalGas (CNG) you will let out 15-20% LESS Carbondioxide compared to Gasoline.

But if you drive your car on BioGas (CBG) you will let out almost 100% LESS carbondioxide compared to Gasoline.

[taz]

Re: Has America begin to produce BioGas?

From what I have read, LNG is easily converted to CNG.
The company that has the plant in Southern California is supplying the OCTA bus fleet.

Well yes.. LNG is Natural Gas or BioGas from the beginning... Its just liquidfied (very cooooold ) to take less space to make it easier to transport.. Trucks can drive on LNG.. i hope in the future it will be possible to drive the car on LNG.. The problem is to store the LNG to long. The pressure will rise since LNG gets converted to CNG while time goes...

But it would be a waste of power to convert CNG to LNG and then back to CNG again... There is processes today to take care of some of the the energy released when LNG expands to CNG. This energy can be used as electricity to power the fueling station for the CNG vehicles...