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  • NGV vs EV and NG vs Electric Heat Pump

    I was just thinking how climate influences peoples preferences for fueling their vehicles and heating their homes. In warm climates people may be okay to heat their homes with efficient heat pumps but they would never drive a car without good air conditioning, eliminating the possibility of electric vehicles. In cold climates, they may be able to drive electric cars without A/C but I doubt they would want to heat their homes with heat pumps.

    That leads me to believe that NGV vehicles are practical in all climates, but electric vehicles may be limitied to cold climates. As the price of natural gas goes up, heat pumps may become more popular in the south. I have one and it is fine down to about 15 F.

    Someone commented to me that they did not want their home heating fuel used for fueling vehicles. They are going to drive an electric vehicle with unlimited range and cold air conditioning.

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    Re: NGV vs EV and NG vs Electric Heat Pump

    What is making you correlate electric cars to poor air conditioning?
    1997 Factory Crown Victoria w/ extended tanks ~~ Clunkerized!
    2000 Bi-Fuel Expedition --> ~~ Sold ~~ <--

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      Re: NGV vs EV and NG vs Electric Heat Pump

      An electric vehicle in the north? I don't think soooo. Loss of battery efficiency plus- Don't breathe, it will frost the windshield. Has any one driven a car without a heater in the winter. Not an option for me. The season for an electric is about the same as a motorcycle.

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        Re: NGV vs EV and NG vs Electric Heat Pump

        I have a Rav4 EV and it works just fine in cold weather . NiMh batteries are not affected as much as lead acid in cold weather. In any event, the batteries are warm after charging. If not, they heat up while power is being drawn off of them. The car has a very good heat pump that provides decent heat and A/C. The windshield (in addition to the defroster) is electrically heated. It also has heated seats. The reduction in range when running all this stuff is about 5%--no big deal. It even has a snow mode switch to reduce motor torque for slippery conditions. Electric cars are like any other vehicle--some are better then others and some have better systems then others. In very cold weather (minus zero) you would be better off in a IC car. Even our CNG's don't like extreme cold weather. In a bi-fuel it is better to start off in gasoline and then switch to CNG after it warms up. The best tip for winter driving is to move somewhere warm!

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          Re: NGV vs EV and NG vs Electric Heat Pump

          As siai47 pointed out, all production electric cars have full climate control systems. Most using a small electric motor to drive a heat-pump that generates the hot and cold side needed for A/C and Heat/Defrost. The EV1 was a little different, in that instead of a heat pump, it used a Peltier plate (solid-state chunk of silicon that uses an electric current to move heat from one side to the other). For use in cooler climates, I have seen do-it-your-self ev'ers use a small electric water heater to drive the heater/defrost, and forego the a/c.
          1997 Factory Crown Victoria w/ extended tanks ~~ Clunkerized!
          2000 Bi-Fuel Expedition --> ~~ Sold ~~ <--

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