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  • DOE Announces Webinars on Hydrogen Fueling Infrastructure Technology

    NOVEMBER 14, 2014
    DOE Announces Webinars on Hydrogen Fueling Infrastructure Technology, Energy Efficiency and Conservation Loan Program, and More

    The Energy Department will present a live webinar entitled "An Overview of the Hydrogen Fueling Infrastructure Research and Station Technology (H2FIRST) Project" on Tuesday, November 18, from 12:00 p.m. to 1:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. The H2FIRST project focuses on technical tasks in support of H2USA to ensure that fuel cell vehicle customers have a positive fueling experience similar to conventional gasoline and diesel stations, as more of these vehicles are introduced to the market and the nation transitions to advanced fueling technology. Register for the webinar.
    Also, the Energy Department and U.S. Department of Agriculture will present a live webinar titled "Energy Efficiency and Conservation Loan Program Webinar Series—#1 Overview and Cost Effectiveness" on Thursday, November 20, from 3:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. Join experts from the Energy Department and U.S. Department of Agriculture to learn about the Rural Utilities Service's new Energy Efficiency and Conservation Loan Program (EECLP). Register for the webinar.
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    Opening of CA’s 10th H2 Station at 1515 South River Road in West Sacramento Dec 2014

    This 3 min video will introduce concepts of entraining a gas with a liquid to compress it (ionic compression) and cooling the resulting high pressure gas for faster, more complete fills:

    Write-ups and photos:

    Most of the car models - Hyundai Tucson ($500/mo lease), Toyota Mirai (sells for $57,500), Honda Clarity (lease) and Mercedes-Benz F-Cell - are being introduced with free fuel for three years to make up for the fact that currently hydrogen costs about 30 percent more than gasoline to move the cars per mile. A full fill for a fuel cell electric car is 6 or 7 Kg giving it a range of about 300 miles. “Up to $14,000 in state and federal rebates are available for the Toyota,” said Craig Scott, national manager for Toyota's Advanced Technology Vehicles. Toyota has been working on fuel cell technology for 22 years, and has been road testing hydrogen cars for 13 years, Scott said. The Mirai went on sale this month in Japan and it will go on sale in the summer in the U.S., he said. Toyota has 15,000 people who are on the list to get the new car. The technology works, but just to give consumers confidence, Toyota is offering the Mirai with an eight-year or 100,000-mile warranty.

    Building the West Sacramento hydrogen fueling station cost $2.5M of which the California Energy Commission paid $1.6M.

    Speakers had this to say:

    Janea Scott, Commissioner California Energy Commission: UPS has plans to use fuel-cell electric trucks; The Energy Commission's ARFVTP has spent more than $500M for ZEV fuel stations and will spend another $48M to build 48 H2 stations.

    Kent Ramos, president of Ramos Oil Company: In addition to gasoline and diesel, the station offers Biodiesel, Ethanol-85, Methanol, and Hydrogen; Solar panels on canopies and shop buildings provide virtually all the power for the facility.

    Cliff Caldwell, Senior Vice President and General Manager for Bulk Markets at Linde: Linde has converted much of it’s fleet from diesel to LNG; built the Altamont LNG project; conducted over 1M safe fuelings of H2 vehicles using Linde IC 90 ionic compressor

    Mark Johannessen, Mayor Pro Tem City of West Sacramento: Community is planning for the future.

    Phil Serna, California Air Resources Board: $5K rebate for fuel-cell vehicles in CA

    Fred Joseck, Department of Energy: Fuel cell program began in 1970’s at Lawrence Livermore Lab; DOE spent $100M/yr for the last few years on fuel cell development; fuel cell cost has been reduced 60% since 2006, 30% since 2008, and there has been a 5-fold reduction in the cost of the platinum element which is a key part of the fuel cell.

    Bill Elrick, California Fuel Cell Partnership (located in W Sac)

    Present in Audience:
    CA Sen Richard Pan; Marisa Delgado(?) US Sen. Boxer’s office; (someone from) Governor’s office; Marty Tuttle W Sac City Manager - permitting; Denice Seals CEO W Sac Chamber of Commerce

    Present from Linde team:
    Mike Beckman; Nitin Natesan; Mit Metson(?); Jennifer Yam(?); Mike McKewean(?); Marcus Fotmier(?); Eilene Brown
    Attached Files


    • #3
      Re: Opening of CA’s 10th H2 Station at 1515 South River Road in West Sacramento Dec 2

      West Sacramento Hydrogen station opening serves as a model of successful publicity. Journalist Jan Dalske did a detailed job of researching what there was to learn about fuel cell vehicles (FCV) and her articles are what is needed to raise understanding about emerging technology. She may be reached through

      The fuel comparisons come down to a gge is 1kg H2 = 2.5 kg CNG = 3.5 kg gasoline. The hydrogen car tanks hold 6 kg H2 providing a 300 mile range. The dispenser fills the tank at 1 kg/min from observations of the car filled at the event. (This comes to 1 gge H2/min if one wants to compare with the flow being provided to fill trucks with CNG these days of 10 gge CNG/min.) The last chart at the bottom of the Wikipedia entry helps with this:

      What is all comes down to is that hydrogen fuel allows an electric vehicle to be filled with "fuel" as opposed to having to be charged over a period of time.


      • #4
        Re: Opening of CA’s 10th H2 Station at 1515 South River Road in West Sacramento Dec 2

        Linde, a world leader in industrial gases and engineering, provides an overview of their gas technologies in this video featuring an LNG import terminal, CO2 for greenhouses, solar, LNG as a transportation fuel, landfill LNG and H2 fuel projects:


        • #5
          Re: Opening of CA’s 10th H2 Station at 1515 South River Road in West Sacramento Dec 2

          Hyundai “Tucson” $3K down, $500/mo 36-month Lease, to begin in 2016. No purchase option at end of lease.
          Estimated driving range 265 miles. 10 minutes required for full fill.
          Other electric cars require 3 hours on a 240V charger, or 14 hours on 110V
          134HP;100 kW motor; tank capacity 5.6 KG H2 @ 10K psi; 2M miles of testing to date.
          In addition to the fuel cell, it has a Li-Polymer 0.95 kWh battery producing 24 kW at 60AH.



          • #6
            Re: DOE Announces Webinars on Hydrogen Fueling Infrastructure Technology

            Eden Energy, of Littleton CO, describes how Hythane - a mix of 7% (by energy content) H2 combined with methane - enhances the rate and completeness of the ignition given that hydrogen burns 8X more rapidly and dramatically increases the narrow flammability range (fuel to air mix) of methane alone. It would appear from the video that development trials are underway in India and Australia. Customers appear to be the large, "rocket science" (Aerojet is mentioned) corporations who want to see what it can do:




            • #7
              It is worth mentioning, in the context of the Altamont LNG plant reference above, that Cem Hacioglu has started BOREAS NATURAL GAS supplying solutions in the LCNG markets. Clem was the former head of Applied LNG which operates the cryogenic tankers between Altamont and Waste Managements fueling facility at 172 98th Ave Oakland, CA




              • #8
                160 H2 stations and 40,000 fuel cell vehicles projected for Japan by 2020:




                • #9
                  Brian Wong for September 20, 2016 - Filler Up: Refueling the 2016 Toyota Mirai

                  . . . At most hydrogen stations, there are two types of hydrogen pumps — H35 and H70. H35 pumps are able to fill the tanks to 5,000 pounds per square inch, which is half of the capacity of the tank. H70 pumps are double the pressure and will fill the tanks all the way, up to 10,000 psi. This means that if you are empty and only an H35 pump is available, you will only be able to refill halfway, but if you have more than half a tank, an H35 pump will not help you at all.

                  The pump attaches to a metal receptacle that runs to the hydrogen tanks. On an H35 pump, there is a lever you turn to secure it. H70 pumps have a trigger that is similar to what you would see on a gasoline pump, but instead of starting the flow of hydrogen fuel, it locks the pump onto the spout to make sure it is secure. Give it a tug to be sure it is on tight.

                  After that, it is pretty straightforward: Hit a button and the tanks start to refill with hydrogen fuel. While fueling, the area around the pump can get very cold, so it is not uncommon to see condensation or frost on the receptacle. The station lets you know when the tank is full via a beep and a message on the screen. You may also hear some of the excess hydrogen from the fueling process vented out of the top of the station.

                  Our fill-up from one-quarter tank to full took about 6 minutes, 30 seconds, so a bit longer than filling up with gas but not prohibitively long. Still, it is much faster than even the quickest chargers for electric cars, the Tesla supercharger, which takes 30 minutes to charge up to 80 percent of its battery.

                  Hydrogen gas is sold by the kilogram instead of the gallon. In La Canada, Calif., it was $16.63 per kilogram. The car was three-quarters empty when filled and the tanks hold around 5 kilograms of hydrogen, so it took 3.81 kilograms to fill back it up at a cost of $63.51. The trip meter read 195.3 miles at that point. That put the cost per mile at around $0.33. This is still much higher than the cost of fuel for a gasoline vehicle; the EPA estimates the cost per mile of a 2016 Prius to be $0.04 per mile.


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                    Link for above post:



                    • #11
                      The 03-07-2015 post in this thread is Linde's visionary take on the road to hydrogen - by utilizing CNG and LNG presently. A floating LNG refinery ship (FLNG) is shown at one minute into the clip.

                      Shell's FLNG took its maiden voyage in Dec 2013 and was positioned at the offshore oil fields of Indonesia to begin operations. Prelude was built in South Korea and is six times heavier than an aircraft carrier and the biggest hull ever sent to sea (it doesn't have an engine - tugs deliver it and it stays moored for 25 years):




                      • #12
                        IRVINE, Calif., Sept. 16, 2016 /PRNewswire/ — A fuel-cell-electric Toyota Mirai, covering 1,438 miles in a 24-hour period, has broken the official Guinness World Record for electric miles driven in 24 hours. The car was refueled with four-minute “fill ups” using the True Zero retail hydrogen network between southern and northern California.

                        The drive, which started in Long Beach, spanned from sea level to 7200 feet, passed through six of the seven largest cities in California, and crossed the state’s boundary into Reno. True Zero’s hydrogen charging stations in Long Beach, Harris Ranch/Coalinga, Truckee, Mill Valley, Saratoga and Santa Barbara were used to refuel the cars during the drive, as was a hydrogen charger in West Sacramento operated by Linde.

                        “The point has been made that an electric car can do everything that a gasoline car can do, but with zero emissions,” said Joel Ewanick, Chief Executive Officer of First Element Fuel, True Zero’s parent company. “We did some city driving, we drove through the mountains, we stopped to take photos, we crossed the golden gate bridge, we stopped to talk to reporters, and we even crossed into Reno. The Mirai can go more than 300 all-electric miles on each four-minute charge of True Zero hydrogen, so it was easy to do all of it in 24 hours without any concerns or range anxiety.”

                        Ewanick set off at 12:01 a.m. Wednesday on the initial leg from here to Sacramento where he was relieved by Dr. Shane Stephens, True Zero’s Chief Development Officer. Dr. Tim Brown, the company’s Chief Operations Officer, took over the wheel in San Jose for the final section.




                        • #13
                          The Guinness World Record drive (this thread) by the fuel cell hydrogen vehicle in 2016. 1438 miles in 24 hours using three drivers.


                          The 10-12-2014 post in the above thread when first put up had said that the CNG Civic used for the Border to Border trip was driven straight through from Los Angeles to Seattle prior to the one-way publicity ride. The two drivers were cngchat members jetboatjohnny and 300mileclub - 1120 miles in 24 hours. Fuel used was 30.9 gge (36 mpg). The 2012 GX was stopped for speeding in Washington State, as was the chase car picked up in Albany Oregon - a 2001 GX - which was also pulled over in Washington State for going too slow (trying to make it to the last fueling stop.) Both received warnings.

                          For comparison, a battery electric Tesla Model S was driven from New York City to Atlanta in 2019. 950 miles in two days, 370 miles of range on a full charge. One driver assisted by autopilot:


                          The following clip compares fuel cell electric (hydrogen) vehicles with battery electric cars: The Truth about Hydrogen



                          • #14
                            Unlike CNG, Hydrogen is not transported to your station via pipeline. Instead, Trillium offers delivered-in solutions to Customers as well as on-site production such as steam methane reformation or electrolysis.

                            In addition to traditional Hydrogen, Trillium also offers renewable fuel sources for our customers. Hydrogen produced from Biogas (RNG) ensures a well-to-wheels low-carbon footprint.