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I am a Realtor in Phoenix with a problem. A Honda GX is too small, I can't show property in a 15 year old clunker and retrofits seem to cost 15 grand. Now I'm finding out that there are lots of new cng vehicles out there. Just not for Americans. I saw a blog from a guy in Sweden that said there were lots of cng cars available there, two of which were Opels (THAT'S GM). I drive a Mits. Montero and I love it. I can buy a new one (Pajero) that runs on cng, but I have to live in India. Has anyone made a list of great cng (or just fuel efficient) vehicles that we need to get here? Does anyone find it strange that, with all the new technology out there, you can't buy a car that beats a 1989 Geo Metro in fuel economy? HEY GM: "KEEP YOUR 400 HP CAMERO AND GIVE US THE CNG OPEL CORSA AND ZAFIRA".
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You CAN use a GX. They are using Prisus for Taxis in the Bay Area. You just tell your clients WHY you are using a GX. -
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How about an Impala?
I believe there will be a Pontiac and a Saturn availible soon too.
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That's what I want to know. What new cng vehicles might be coming to the US? Is it just going to be the Honda GX, or will we get a choice?Comment
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If a cng Pontiac or Saturn come to the States then it would be the Opels that I heard of on the blog. That would be as important as the Chevy Volt, in my opinion, if they make them affordable.Comment
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The cars I mentioned are conversions, they are just like their gasoline counterparts, except dedicated to run on CNG only.
I want one.BLUE 09 GXComment
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It looks like the GX will be the only OEM offering for the forseeable future. There will be limited numbers of conversions working their way to market, or have already done so, but will be more limited than the GX as far as availability goes. There are elements within Ford that would love to push Ford back into the cng arena, but the higher-ups don't seem to have any more interest than does GM.Comment
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You know the more I learn about GM and Ford, the more I think they deserve to go broke. They are so out of touch with what people want in this country. When do you think they are going to figure it out? There will be no "silver bullit". Our energy independance will require cng, E-85, plug-in hybrids, electric, hydrogen, fuel cell and other fuels yet to be discovered. The future may come with small butique auto makers (god help us if they are all from China) giving us this kind of range of vehicles. I used to be a GM man, all the way, but like the man said "you can't fix stupid".Comment
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Hey "Thunderstik", why don't you publish this guy, with GM's, telephone number or E-Mail address. Maybe, if enough people tell him he's wrong, he might realize that in the 90's gas was cheap and that $4.00/gallon changes everything. I mean it's not like they have to develope the cars (or invent the bateries), Opel is selling the things right now. HEY GM: "YOU HAD BETTER FIX STUPID".Comment
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OK, I'm confused... The GX, now the size the Accord was in 1997, is too small, but you'd jump on a Corsa, which is the size of a Honda Fit???Originally posted by dkellas View PostComment
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I didn't know what their sizes were. I saw one on the net that looked like a minivan crossover, but could not really tell how big it was. If BAF will do a conversion right at a Ford dealer and they are selling F150's for a song, I wonder how much a cng f150 would be? I'm going to a Ford dealer today, but I'm guessing that they will just look at me like I'm crazy and say "we don't know what you are talking about".Comment
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That's a good point, I heard you can buy an Escalade for dealer sticker now, that's under 40k, they're giving em away.BLUE 09 GXComment
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That close-minded thinking is exactly why GM is losing money, closing plants, and putting a huge crowd of workers on the street. CNG is one easy way to make suvs and trucks economically feasible.
FWIW, I haven't been impressed with GM quality nor design since the late 70's (except for the Vette
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I agree. The Vette is the only good car they make, besides the caddy's. I do like some of the new designs though. The volt is cool. Malibu looks nice from the front, but not from the rear.Originally posted by rtry9a View PostThat close-minded thinking is exactly why GM is losing money, closing plants, and putting a huge crowd of workers on the street. CNG is one easy way to make suvs and trucks economically feasible.
FWIW, I haven't been impressed with GM quality nor design since the late 70's (except for the Vette). They do make some great engines (and "questionable" transmissions/differientials).Comment
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Re: HIGH GAS PRICES ARE GREAT!
Yeah, that's why I think high gas prices are GREAT! Americans are very passive when it comes to innovative alternatives, and most of us have the 'if it aint broke then dont fix it' mentality here in the US, and so I welcome high gas prices, because we need motivation to get our butts moving toward alternative fuels of all types. I bet in the next 10 years, you'll see many forms progress including hydrogen, electric, CNG, E85 and other flexfuel blends, biodiesel, etc. I'd love it if some day you could buy a car that could run on anything you threw at it. It could take diesel, or gas, or hydrogen, or run on batteries, flexfuel etc. then the average consumer could take his pick based on current prices. Maybe someday cars will simply just run on water? But there has to be enough pain from high gas prices for long enough to jumpstart the country to get up to speed with the world. We had the lowest gas prices on Earth and now you can see that because of this, we are last in the world on alternative fuel energies. It's about time for change.Comment
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