Fuel Filter quesion / concern

[skierrob]

I had my B1 service done today on my 2006 Civic GX, and one of the things they did (or supposedly did) was replace the low pressure fuel filter.

Looking at my receipt, I was charged $39.86 for CNG Filter Element part # 16905-S1G-003 and then $45 for labor for the fuel filter replacement.

I know that this part # is for the older Civic GX's and not the 2006 and later, correct?

If so, I was either (a) incorrectly charged, or (b) they put the wrong filter on the car (impossible, correct?), or (c) they didn't do the work but charged me, or (d) the 16905-S1G-003 is the correct part #.

Anyone have any ideas as to what might have really happened here? I assume I won't be able to easily tell if they actually replaced the filter. *shrug*

Robert

[Lakewood90712]

Re: Fuel Filter quesion / concern

That part # is for the High pressure filter element , the one near the tank. it is the same for all years of gx. MSRP is About $30 , internet dealers sell for about $21. comes with element, and 2 o- rings. easy to change in 10 minutes after removing the undercar tank brace assy.

The low pressure filter element (near the engine and attached to the low pressure regulator ) msrp is about $70 and the internet dealers are a little less.

They changed the filter that is easy to get to.

98-00 has high press. filter only.

01-05 has the high press and a spin on , disposable low press filter.

06-08 has a high press. and a low press. element.

Time to have a chat with the service advisor and the tech, at the same time.

[Curtis]

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I'll see if I can get some part #'s from service tomorrow. IF i GET SIDE-TRACKED pm me with a reminder first part of the week. Weekends are my busy time. Seems people have Hummers (and the like) to trade in on Civic's and Fit's all of a sudden like. Gas at my favorite Arco Station today $4.39... Who cares!

[freedml]

Re: Fuel Filter quesion / concern

The low pressure CNG spin on filter on 01-05s is 16230-PMS-A03.

[sjseng]

Re: Fuel Filter quesion / concern

So where is everyone finding the cheaper fuel filters? And where do you get a service manual for the GX to change the fuel filters and oil? (I know the oil is the easy part, but still looking for a service manual.)

Thanks

[siai47]

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I bought my shop manual on E-bay. The guy listing it (I just checked and can't figure out who it was) listed only the Civic shop manual. I asked him if he had the GX supplement and he said "yes". Cost an additional $30. A lot of these guys have more in stock then what is listed on E-bay.

[Lakewood90712]

Re: Fuel Filter quesion / concern

So where is everyone finding the cheaper fuel filters?

And where do you get a service manual for the GX to change the fuel filters and oil? (I know the oil is the easy part, but still looking for a service manual.)

Thanks

Filters -see this thread http://cngchat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1952

GX Supplement manual , like siai47 , on e-bay , I also paid about $30 , less than 1/2 of list price .

[freedml]

Re: Fuel Filter quesion / concern

hondapartscheap.com is good for genuine Honda parts.

Helminc.com is where you can buy the basic Civic manual and also the GX supplement (at list price).

[c2sox]

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Ok, I took my GX to the dealer today and was quoted $70 for the fuel filter but was being charged $200 for the labor

What has everyone been paying?

Fortunately the advisor mentioned that I could take care of it on the next service schedule. He did recommended that I take care of it no later than that.

[Timon]

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Here is what I just paid for my 105K service. I supplied both filters and plugs which I purchased from Majestic Honda so here is what I paid for parts.

2004 Filters:
A = $ 21.14 ($30.30 list)
B = $ 81.88 ($116.97 list)

If you have a 2006-8 here are the filter costs:
A= $ 21.14 ($30.30 list) (looks like it the same part used on the 04)
B= $ 49.00 ($70.00 list)

Plugs about $12 each.

Here are the Honda times to install the filters and do a tank inspection.

Both Body styles (7th and 8th Gen)
A Filter = .5 hr
B Filter = .9 hr
Tank inspection = .5 hr

My local Honda charges $98 per hour so those items cost me about $188 including changing the plugs. I got away with a little less on labor since they also put in the heat shield modification so they had already pulled the covers for the tank inspection.

If you dealer is charging $200 that about 4 time the Honda specified times if they have the same labor rate.

[c2sox]

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Thanks for the link on the parts and the heads up on the labor rates.

[ajgiorgi]

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My friend and I changed my 99 high pressure and he said to leave the o-ring in and not replace it because you have a good chance that its not going to sit right when you replace it. I took his word for it because he is a garbage truck mechanic and he works on cng/lng trucks. Anybody think this is wrong? Almost 10k on the replacement and no problems.

[Blueflame]

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I'm an aircraft mechanic for the same company you work for and in my job I usually change o-rings when I replace a component. They can get crushed, dry out and crack and unless they are really difficult to get at it's better to replace them. Of course this is provided you are sure you have the proper o-ring. If it came with the filter I would personally feel better replacing it.

Having said that, I don't have the experience your friend does with these vehicles and he's talking from his experience. He determined the o-ring was in good enough condition to continue using and 10,000 miles of trouble-free service backs that up. Reusing an o-ring is not uncommon as long as it's in good condition. I'd say drive on and don't sweat it.