Car stalling - 06 GX

[skierrob]

Occasionally, when I pull up to a red light or am otherwise idling, my 06 Civic GX with 31,700 miles on it will act like it's going to stall but then "catches itself" and goes back to running normally. I understand that is normal behavior. When I brought it to the dealer, they said there was nothing wrong that they could find.

Unfortunately, three times in the past two weeks, my car has actually stalled when this has happened. The first time I thought it might be a problem with the fuel, but I've filled up at least three different times since then at other stations and still have the problem.

So, I'm going off back to the dealership tonight to let them look at it again under the warranty. Hopefully they'll figure something out this time.

Has anyone else experienced similar issues and found a good solution?

Thanks,
Robert

[ch4]

Re: Car stalling - 06 GX

Occasionally, when I pull up to a red light or am otherwise idling, my 06 Civic GX will act like it's going to stall but then "catches itself" and goes back to running normally.
Has anyone else experienced similar issues and found a good solution?

Thanks,
Robert

Hi Robert:

I've got the same prob. w/ my 2007. Never stalled yet but if you get any info please tell the list. I'll do the same...

[TheBundo]

Re: Car stalling - 06 GX

Haven't noticed that yet on my 2008

[Larryect]

Re: Car stalling - 06 GX

My 02 has never had that problem. I have a friend that has (I think) an 01. He has had stalling problems at stop lights. After one dealer replacing all the injectors and basically giving up (the injectors did not fix it), he went to another dealer that determined the coils were bad. End of problem.

Luckily for him, all was covered under the 15 year 150,000 mile CA emissions warranty.

[cnguser]

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Hey guys - it would be helpful if you listed the mileage (and possibly when the car was first put into service) when sharing various problem queries for us to consider.

[ch4]

Re: Car stalling - 06 GX

Hey guys - it would be helpful if you listed the mileage (and possibly when the car was first put into service) when sharing various problem queries for us to consider.

Great Idea. I usually leave out info cause I'm part of the DHS.

'07 GX
3000 or so miles, bought in Feb 07.
Commuter car. Rarely driven on highway. Alot of stop and start driving.
I've had the prob. since I've had the car.
Fueled at Questar Main Station.

Usually, the prob. is in hot weather. Always stopped.
Usually, after I've driven for awhile.
A/C does not seem to matter.

[TheBundo]

Re: Car stalling - 06 GX

I took delivery 2 weeks ago today, on May 5th. New GX. Over 2200 miles in the 1st 2 weeks, which is what I'll average year in, year out.

[jetboatjohnny]

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I thought I drove a lot of miles, usually about 620 a week.
99 GX 106k

[TheBundo]

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Round trip commute to the area I work is about 160 miles, then I drive anywhere from very little up to another 200 miles while there

[Green GX]

Re: Car stalling - 06 GX

Hi Robert:

I've got the same prob. w/ my 2007. Never stalled yet but if you get any info please tell the list. I'll do the same...

My '07 does the same thing. I've got about 12,000 miles on it and it's been doing it since it was about 2 months old. Mine hasn't flamed-out yet, but it stumbles on a hot day.

Stopped at a light it will start to stumble, then the computer bumps up the RPM's slightly. I can force it to do it if I'm idling at a light, or in park, and I turn the fan switch on, or run a window up or down. I've demonstrated it for the service rep at my local dealer, but it was only in for the blanket recall and I needed it back right away. So, the service dept. didn't get to test it.

I can generate a more severe case by just turning the steering wheel slightly. Then, the computer runs the rev's up to about 900.

Someone else wrote a post here about an "Electronic Load Detector" that goes bad; then things get real rough. I wonder if my problem is an alternator that is running just on the hairy edge.

With A/C on the computer holds the rev's up to high and masks the problem.

Bill

[ch4]

Re: Car stalling - 06 GX

My '07 does the same thing.
Stopped at a light it will start to stumble, then the computer bumps up the RPM's slightly. I can force it to do it if I'm idling at a light, or in park, and I turn the fan switch on, or run a window up or down.

I can generate a more severe case by just turning the steering wheel slightly. Then, the computer runs the rev's up to about 900.

With A/C on the computer holds the rev's up to high and masks the problem.

Bill

Thanks Bill, Great Info.

I'm going to try all the above and I'll report back if/if not I can reproduce your results.

<brainstorm>
The alternator is a 'very interesting' idea...
If the alternator is not producing the juice then the Load Detector shows a large load eventhough the load is normal.

Here's the Load Detector thread:

http://www.cngchat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1037&highlight=load+detector

Anyone, like maybe Curtis's friend in the Service Shop, know if the computer will log this behavior?

<jr. wannabe mechanic hat>
So, assuming that the power drags the voltage, and current, down, to a level where the spark is not enough to burn at the time needed it could produce a stall. The computer ACS? recognizes this and retards or advances the ignition to prevent the stall.
</jr. wannabe mechanic hat>

skierrob: Can you also test out Bill's results?

</brainstorm>

One thing to remember is make sure the car's been running awhile (hot) before you take it to the shop.

It seems that everyone say 'hot'.

I don't see the problem when I start in the morning.

[skierrob]

Re: Car stalling - 06 GX

I will definitely try this out when I get the car back from the service department.

Thanks,
Robert

[Larryect]

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<jr. wannabe mechanic hat>

I like that, mind if I borrow it?

<jr. wannabe mechanic hat>
I suspect the alternator involvement would more likely be: It is adding a load to the engine because it is being called upon to generate power. But, the computer is not seeing enough load to compensate for by increasing fuel to hold the idle up which is done when the AC is running. There is probably also a high idle setting that is compensating when the engine is cold. But, I would expect that to only last 10 - 15 minutes.
<jr. wannabe mechanic hat>

Probably need a real mechanics input....

[Green GX]

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(snip)
Anyone, like maybe Curtis's friend in the Service Shop, know if the computer will log this behavior?
(snip)

The service rep I was referring to was none other than Curtis' friend Alan at Robertson's Honda in Palmdale, CA. And like I said, I didn't have time to leave it for them to really troubleshoot the problem, but Alan said he had some sort of a Honda blog he could look at to see if other techs or service reps had heard of the problem. (He's probably sneaking off to check out cngchat.com for insight and advice on the problem! )

I'm thinking about scheduling time with the service dept. on Friday for the problem. I'll post the results if I get it in there.

Bill

[Curtis]

Re: Car stalling - 06 GX

When the computer stores a code it usually kicks on the Check Engine light. Alan may be referring to the Honda Tech line, and yes, he will search this site for threads that contain valuable information. Many of us have experienced problem's that have been diagnosed and repaired, sometimes at great expence, and that info can save you valuable shop time.