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  • 2003 Cavalier, 20k mi., $10000...... really?

    So in my search for a 03-04 cavalier, I found an 03 with 20k mi with an asking price of $10,000. There's no way I would pay what they're asking, but I'm curious to hear opinions from more experienced CNGers as to a more fair value of the car. I already did a blue book price and it priced $2900-$3800 depending on Fair, Good, and Excellent. I have a hard time believing the bi-fuel capability increases the value of the vehicle by $6,000, and I'm sure there's dealer mark-up involved, but where would you suggest a fair middle ground or starting point for negotiations?

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    Re: 2003 Cavalier, 20k mi., $10000...... really?

    I recently paid $8,000 for a 2003 with 15k miles---about $2,000 more then I should of paid. However, the car was flawless, with not even a chip in the paint or a door ding. When oil was at $147 a barrel, prices for Cavaliers were in this range. Oil is half that now, and CNG prices are on the rise. Therefore, prices of these vehicles should be stable or falling. In addition, they are aging which in itself should bring the prices down. That being said, I should think that a really nice Cavalier should be no more then six grand and one with high mileage, worn carpeting, sagging seats, body dings, some rust, etc. should be in the four to five thousand range. If you want to fix some of these items on a cheaper car, the parts and repair costs quickly bring you up to the price range of the better cars. I've played both ends of this and when you add the parts and the value of your time working on them you are better off going with the better vehicle. Just remember, even at $10K (and I am not recomending you go that route) you are paying less for a complete car then you would for an aftermarket conversion of a new car. Also, these cars hold their value well so over time, what is the cost per mile to drive one? True, its just a Cavalier but in the end all cars are just to get you from one point to another point. "Cash for Clunkers" really messed with the price and value of cars at these price points for all used vehicles. Do an E-bay search for regular Cavaliers and look at the prices and you will find in many cases you are paying little or no premium for the CNG car.

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      Re: 2003 Cavalier, 20k mi., $10000...... really?

      You made some good points. One other consideration; the "soft parts", hoses, belts, CV boots, brake system seals, etc, are all deteriorating. The car is stil old no matter how nice it look. But I was raised in the used car business and I have a different attitude.

      Larrycng

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        Re: 2003 Cavalier, 20k mi., $10000...... really?

        The blue book value on a gasoline Cav has nothing to do with the price of the bi-fuel version. They're hard to find and so you have to weigh how much you want to keep looking vs. buying an unknown quantity at an auction (the usual source) vs. buying it now, low miles, good shape, extensive test drive and/or inspection, etc.
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          Re: 2003 Cavalier, 20k mi., $10000...... really?

          Originally posted by larrycng View Post
          You made some good points. One other consideration; the "soft parts", hoses, belts, CV boots, brake system seals, etc, are all deteriorating. The car is stil old no matter how nice it look. But I was raised in the used car business and I have a different attitude.

          Larrycng
          That's a very valid point, and one I explained to my wife when she told me it's basically a brand new car. Sure there's low mileage, but it's 7 years old and some parts wear with or without the car running. If it were an 09 or 2010 Cavalier with 20k I might understand the $10k price, but not when it's 7 years old.

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            Re: 2003 Cavalier, 20k mi., $10000...... really?

            Originally posted by freedml View Post
            The blue book value on a gasoline Cav has nothing to do with the price of the bi-fuel version. They're hard to find and so you have to weigh how much you want to keep looking vs. buying an unknown quantity at an auction (the usual source) vs. buying it now, low miles, good shape, extensive test drive and/or inspection, etc.
            I wasn't necessarily trying to say the blue book of gasoline has a direct correlation to the price of the bi-fuel model, I was just logically reasoning that (at least to me, just my opinion here) the bi-fuel capability alone being 150% of the price of the same vehicle without bi-fuel capability seems a little irrational.

            I appreciate everyone's input... the used car market can be quite a messy scene so it's beneficial for me to hear others' opinions.

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            • #7
              Re: 2003 Cavalier, 20k mi., $10000...... really?

              The used car market is quite rational. The supply of dual fuel Cavaliers on the used car market right now is somewhere around one. They're asking $10k for a very low mileage 2003 car and I wouldn't be surprised if someone paid that for it. Obviously it won't be you, snoobies. There was a guy near me who had three of them a couple of years ago, low mileage and very clean, and he sold them for a lot more than $10k.
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                Re: 2003 Cavalier, 20k mi., $10000...... really?

                I have access to some dealer auctions. I thought I would see if I could find a CNG Cavalier (any year).

                I just searched the Manheim dealer auctions for Cavaliers available

                Total Cavaliers available 220
                Total CNG 0

                I checked the GSA auctions coming up.

                Total Chevys available 114
                Total bi-fuel Cavaliers 0

                I checked the dealer auctions at Brasher's Auction Pipeline

                Cavaliers available 117
                Bi-fuel Cavaliers 0

                So there's not a great selection in the normal channels. When gasoline was $4/gallon I remember seeing the asking price on low miles 03-04 GSA Cavaliers around $18,000. I'm glad I was on the sidelines then. The 04 that I found had 100k miles on it and I've put another 10k or so on it in just under a year. I did have an injector go bad on me but I feel it's a much better system than the '98 - '02. Since it's so hard to find I expect to pay a premium.
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                • #9
                  Re: 2003 Cavalier, 20k mi., $10000...... really?

                  right, because the fleets have sold off most of their 03s and 04s by now, and the last bifuel cav was 04
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                  • #10
                    Re: 2003 Cavalier, 20k mi., $10000...... really?

                    I have a navy blue 04 Bifuel put away with only 23,000 miles. Car is in new condition being kept in doors. For sale for the right price and 10k is way too low
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                      Re: 2003 Cavalier, 20k mi., $10000...... really?

                      I paid $5500 for my fully optioned 03 cavy with 130k on it. Our local NG utlity still has one of there 40 cng cav's left and about 10 silverado's and one or two express vans.
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                        Re: 2003 Cavalier, 20k mi., $10000...... really?

                        ericguy320:

                        Can you post a link to for information on the NG utility vehicles for sale?

                        Thanks
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                          Re: 2003 Cavalier, 20k mi., $10000...... really?

                          There not for sale yet and still in use , they auctioned off 30+ cavaliers a few years ago and are still using the 1 they have left.
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                            Re: 2003 Cavalier, 20k mi., $10000...... really?

                            Bottom line CNG vehicles have their own values, blue books should only be a guide to put you in the general area of value. And it all comes down to supply and demand. Demand is always high when fuel prices go up or when 85,000 Californians get kicked out of the carpool lane. Now funny enough I have been doing this long enough that I have seen a CNG system on a car hurt the value of the vehicle. Real example regular cavalier $3500 and like cavalier with CNG $3000. This is when gas was cheep (under $2/gallon) where the assumption is made no CNG would be ran through the vehicle and trunk space was given up, but more importantly was more things on the car to go wrong.The typical $500 depreciation was the cost to remove the CNG from the car. No joke this actually happen 2002-2005
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                              Re: 2003 Cavalier, 20k mi., $10000...... really?

                              Originally posted by CNG MOTORS View Post
                              ...Now funny enough I have been doing this long enough that I have seen a CNG system on a car hurt the value of the vehicle. ...
                              Ditto... a second example: when I purchased a Govt converted '95 bifuel Sonoma pickup... I paid $4500 when the similar (without $10K of conversion) gas only versions were selling for at least a grand more
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