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    Gang,

    One of our members is at Ford HQ and has been approaching us to help him (or her?) to blitz senior management about getting back into producing NGVs. This person wishes to be anonymous so asked that I post the following and see if we collectively can start a letter-writing campaign.

    Attached just below this post you will see 3 documents which show what Ford is doing in Europe. It might help to print these and stick them in your letter.

    Be sure to print out two copies of your letter, sign them, stick them in envelopes, and send via US Postal Service to both William Clay Ford Jr. as well as to Alan Mulally.

    Edited to add:
    If you have the time, also send letters to:
    Jim Farley -- Head of Marketing & Communications
    Derek Kuzak -- Head of Global Product Development
    (I assume the same "One American Road" address will work for these gentlemen too)

    Please post here when you have sent your letter so we can get an idea of how many voices are being heard Here the is the primer from our friend at Ford...
    -----------------

    Please write to the Ford Motor Company expressing your interest in a CNG
    Ford. In your letter, please point out some salient CNG facts that are
    likely not known by these executives.

    They may need informing of the basic facts:
    > Ford made CNG vehicles from 1994 to 2004.
    > CNG is costs $0.64 per gallon at the pump in Utah.
    > CNG is available in most homes via the FuelMaker Home Refueling
    Appliance ($1.30 per gallon, typical). Lack of fueling infrastructure
    is no longer an issue.
    > Honda sells a CNG Civic for an additional $6830.
    > The Honda is CNG only and has nearly no trunk space and thus has less
    general customer appeal than a bi-fuel vehicle.
    > The European Focus and C-MAX Focus are available as a CNG bi-fuel
    vehicle for 3275 Euro. That is about $5000. How can I buy one in North
    America?
    > CNG is cleaner than any other automotive fuel.
    > CNG produces 29% less CO2 than gasoline according to the state of
    California.
    > CNG is domestically produced.
    > There are 728 public CNG stations in America and the average cost is
    $1.77 per gallon (DOE 2007 report).

    Below are our executive's contact information.
    ******************************
    **********************
    Ford's Chairman and Executive Chairman can be reached at:

    William Clay Ford Jr.
    1-800-3923673
    [email protected]
    Chairman & Exec Chairman
    One American Road
    Dearborn, MI 48126-2798

    ******************************
    *******************************
    Ford's CEO & president can be reached at:

    Alan Mulally
    [email protected]
    1-800-3923673
    World Headquarters Building
    5050
    One American Road
    Dearborn MI USA 48126-2798
    ******************************
    **************************
    Attached Files

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    Re: OK folks, Ford is listening!

    Mr. Ford:

    I love my 2001 F-150 super-cab bi-fuel truck, and if you still made new ones, my company would be interested in buying a fleet of them. My truck was converted to run on both natural gas and gasoline straight off of the assembly line. Ford stopped making natural gas vehicles (NGVs) six years ago, but I think that you should start producing them again. Here are the reasons:

    - 728 natural gas public fueling stations exist in the United States. with an average price of $1.77 per gasoline gallon equivalent (GGE). Why is Ford manufacturing NGVs to sell in Europe but not the United States?
    - Natural gas costs $0.63 per GGE in Utah.
    - A natural gas engine is the cleanest burning internal combustion engine currently made producing virtually no toxic emissions and 29% less CO2 than gasoline.
    - Natural gas is produced in the United States; this lessens our reliance on foreign oil and its associated problems.
    - People are clambering for NGVs and Honda is the only company still selling them in the United States. Used natural gas Honda Civics sell in 10 minutes on E-bay for prices that are well above Blue Book.

    You would be smart to start producing NGVs again. The market is for larger vehicles because the natural gas tanks take up most of the trunk space the Honda Civic, making it impractical for families. Rapidly rising gasoline prices will curb your gasoline SUV and truck market, but a well made natural gas crew-cab truck or SUV would sell as fast as you could produce them.

    Samuel Roth
    St. George, UT
    2001 F-150 5.4L Bi-fuel
    7700 Extended Cab

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    • #3
      Re: OK folks, Ford is listening!

      Mr. Ford;

      I am a loyal 3rd generation Ford driver. My grandparents honeymooned in a Model
      A: in 1965, my parents carried me home from the hospital in a 1963 Ford Falcon,
      and in the years since then there has always been at least one Ford vehicle in the
      driveway at my parents' house, as well as the driveways of myself and my three
      siblings.

      We don't have many NGV stations here in North Carolina, but I am trying to change
      that. However, one of the challenges I receive from prospective users/investors
      is,"Well, Ford got out of it. Why should I trust some mechanic who may or
      may not know what he's doing?"

      My refitters are good engineers--as an engineer myself, I trust them. However,
      a big dog like FoMoCo barking on the porch would help us quell the naysayers. I
      believe that the full-sized cars/SUVs/crossovers with the 3.5L V6 engine would be
      a good way to go, because the safety of those units is unassailable while the platform
      size would definitely support the surtax of weight from the CNG tanks. Making it
      an option for the Volvo would certainly let us woo the Social Conscience crowd,
      as well.

      On a completely different note, could I interest you in a **Halo Car**? The Renesis
      rotary engine does well with gaseous fuel, we know that. How about selling a tweaked
      CNG version of the RX8 through Mazdaspeed? It would make the performance world
      sit up and take immediate notice, and with the octane boost, I'm sure it would
      deliver beautifully.

      We need NGVs, both for American jobs, and to ease the humanitarian cost of petroleum
      price shocks--you remember 1973, right? Perhaps we are the generation to finally
      resolve this issue, and I believe that CNG is one of the keys.

      Thank you for your time.

      Best Regards,

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      • #4
        Re: OK folks, Ford is listening!

        Mr. Mulally;

        I am a loyal Ford and Mazda driver--in 1965, my parents brought me home from the
        hospital in Jonesboro, Ark. in the back seat of a 1963 Ford Falcon, and they have
        lived with at least one vehicle from one of those two marques ever since, as have
        I myself and my three siblings.

        This evening, I write to request that Ford Motor Group--including Mazda and Volvo--resume
        building natural gas vehicles for the North American market (a CNG Volvo is for
        the Social Conscience set). We don't have many outlets for NGV refueling here
        in North Carolina, and one of the arguments I hear as someone trying to convince
        prospective investors and users of its utility is, "Ford got out of it, so
        why should I trust my truck/SUV to some guy who may or may not know how to retrofit
        it correctly?"

        The refitters I work with are very good, but we can only go so far without a big
        dog on our porch barking at the naysayers. FoMoCo would really help us get CNG
        here in NC if you would just resume production--if nothing else, make it an option
        on the new 3.5L engine in the Taurus/Sable family--I would pre-order!

        Also, could I possibly interest you in a **Halo Car**? It is my understanding that
        the Renesis rotary engine does well on gaseous fuels. If Mazda sold CNG RX-8s as
        part of the Mazdaspeed line and tweak its output (as I suspect some of their/your
        engineers have already done), it would immediately make the performance world sit
        up and take notice of CNG. As CNG is an American fuel produced by American workers--no
        troops required and considerably more bang per buck!--it might even help us all
        ease this economic/political mess that geopolitics and bad economic decisions (corn
        ethanol included) have caused.

        Thank you for your time.

        Best Regards,

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        • #5
          Re: OK folks, Ford is listening!

          Hey y'all;

          I mentioned Mazda in my letters because Mulally used to be in charge of Mazda, and also because the Mazda5 (selling well in these parts, at least) is a rebadged Ford Focus CMAX with slightly different sheetmetal.

          I hope I have not taken up too much space,

          Andy-Paul

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          • #6
            Re: OK folks, Ford is listening!

            I plan on sending letters I am just trying to work it out in my head. Dose anyone know if an of the Ford divisions in Europe build a NG? On a side note Ford and Mazda has had a close relation dating back to the 70's. in the 70's my father was the national Distribution Manager They were headquartered out of Compton in those days.

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            • #7
              Re: OK folks, Ford is listening!

              It is nice to read the letters here, but please don't forget to also print, sign and mail them too! If you only post them here it will have little or no impact.

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              • #8
                Re: OK folks, Ford is listening!

                Originally posted by John Mitton View Post
                > The European Focus and C-MAX Focus are available as a CNG bi-fuel
                vehicle for 3275 Euro. That is about $5000. How can I buy one in North
                America?
                I believe the price you mentioned is the incremental cost.
                http://www.ford.de lists the base price for the focus and C-max as 15000 Euro (~$23,600) and 18500 Euro (~$29,100), respectively.

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                • #9
                  We are making some headway...

                  Update from our friend at Ford headquarters:
                  It seems the AP news article on Utah's 63 cent CNG prices landed on some desks in Dearborn...

                  The words "natural gas" came out of (President & CEO) Mulally's mouth the other day. We think we have traced the source.. We need to keep sending him the CNG message.

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                  • #10
                    Re: OK folks, Ford is listening!

                    Probably best to take John's advice and mail your comments the old fashioned way or submit your comments on the Ford New Ideas link included below. If others who have responded are like me, they have been e-mailing their responses to the Ford executives using the supplied e-mail addresses. Emails gets intercepted and result in the following reply from Ford.

                    Dear Samuel,

                    Thank you for thinking of Ford! We are always interested in new ideas. After reviewing your email, it was determined that it included an idea or suggestion and so was referred to the Consumer Innovation Office for handling.

                    Given the size of our company, we have a standard process for receiving ideas. The process prevents us from considering any ideas or suggestions without a signed waiver. Please visit our secure website and submit your idea or suggestion at www.fordnewideas.com. Once we receive your online submission, we will route your non-confidential information to an experienced technical reviewer for consideration. Regrettably, if there was any attached correspondence to this email has been destroyed as it is our policy to return or destroy all materials sent to us.

                    Thank you for your interest in Ford Motor Company. We look forward to working with you following the above procedure.

                    Best Regards,
                    Stacy
                    2001 F-150 5.4L Bi-fuel
                    7700 Extended Cab

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                    • #11
                      Re: OK folks, Ford is listening!

                      I'm curious on any other Chat members responses from Ford.
                      How were they addressed and signed in the reply?
                      Dave Clement

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                      • #12
                        Re: OK folks, Ford is listening!

                        One of our members received an e-mail reply to his to his postal-mailed letter.
                        Alan cc'd the following people:
                        Jim Farley: the star sales guy that Ford just hired from Toyota.
                        Derek Kuzak: the head of product development.

                        We are making some waves. Let's keep it up!

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                        • #13
                          Re: OK folks, Ford is listening!

                          I contacted my alt fuel technical contact at Ford, mentioned their declining truck / suv sales, the grass root efforts to get a wider selection of OEM NGV's in North America, the current economic and fuel issues, and asked if Ford had any plans for re-entering the NGV market in North America. His reply?

                          "I have been seeing reports of the same type of efforts in the alt fuel trade press for a while.

                          Ford has no formal plans to re-enter the market but there are several ideas being formulated for consideration."

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                          • #14
                            Re: OK folks, Ford is listening!

                            The car makers got out because they couldn't sale CNG vehicles.

                            One could dream up conspiracies but at this time all the anxiety and anger they breed is counter productive.

                            Here is the bottom line! We either force a solution of these gas prices now using free market or one of the presidential candidates will tax us into the poor house. While the other has promised not to increase taxes but he could be a Bush I all over again.

                            There are two critical components to preserving the American Life Style
                            1.gas price relief in one year or less using made in America Natural gas
                            2.A road map to the future without gas and the all electric car in ten years

                            I have been writing my representative for 2 months regarding CNG conversion for vehicles. There exist no other near term solution for gasoline price relief as regulating the speculators has obviously failed and releasing a drop in the bucket from the strategic oil reserves will have only transitory effects.

                            The CNG conversion and new CNG vehicles is the first step toward energy independence.

                            Require EPA to allow companies that make NGV conversion systems to use less expensive methods to comply with on-board diagnostic system-related requirements, and otherwise reduce barriers to the introduction of vehicle conversion systems that facilitate the use of alternative fuels.
                            http://www.ngvc.org/pdfs/Summary07NGVLegProp.pdf
                            http://www.ngvc.org/
                            Loose the dogs of capitalism!
                            Write your representative!

                            And to obtain more of the Made in America natural gas requires Drill Here, Drill now! Have everybody you know consider signing the petition.
                            See http://www.americansolutions.com/

                            Alternate fuels, ethanol, hydrogen, etc. are all doomed from the start because the cost of reinventing a distribution infrastructure to the tune of trillions of dollars is insane when a $30 extension cord will do. I don't want to go into all of this here so
                            see http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1215...n_commentaries
                            and http://www.americansolutions.com/Sol...9-d80469b56c5b
                            and http://www.americansolutions.com/Sol...1-1cb5dafd781a

                            Focusonz

                            Consumption of natural gas
                            23T cubic feet = 651B cubic meters = 3.8B BOE per year

                            lets convert 5% of 110M vehicles (110M households with one breadwinner) = 5.5M vehicles
                            reducing current 21M barrel per day oil demand by 1M barrel per day = 365M barrel oil per year
                            5% conversion consumption = 3.8B + 365M = 4.2B barrel BOE natural gas per year

                            lets convert 10% of 110M vehicles (110M households with one breadwinner) = 10.1M vehicles
                            reducing current 21M barrel per day oil demand by 2.1M barrel per day = 766M barrel oil per year
                            10% conversion consumption = 3.8B + 766M = 4.5B barrel BOE natural gas per year

                            lets convert 15% of 110M vehicles (110M households with one breadwinner) = 16.5M vehicles
                            reducing current 21M barrel per day oil demand by 3.1M barrel per day = 1.13B barrel oil per year
                            15% conversion consumption = 3.8B + 1.13B = 4.93B barrel BOE natural gas per year

                            lets convert 25% of 110M vehicles (110M households with one breadwinner) = 27.5M vehicles
                            reducing current 21M barrel per day oil demand by 5.25M barrel per day = 1.9B barrel oil per year
                            25% conversion consumption = 3.8B + 1.9B = 5.7B barrel BOE natural gas per year

                            Max reserves natural gas from http://www.mms.gov/offshore/
                            1050T cubic feet of gas = 29T cubic meters = 175 BOE reserves
                            no conversion 46 years supply of natural gas
                            5% conversion 41 years supply of natural gas
                            10% conversion 38 years supply of natural gas
                            15% conversion 35 years supply of natural gas
                            25% conversion 30 years supply of natural gas

                            Min reserves natural gas from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_reserves
                            5,451 Bm3 / 170 m3/barrel = 192T cubic foot = 32B BOE reserves
                            no conversion 8.4 years supply of natural gas
                            5% conversion 7.6 years supply of natural gas
                            10% conversion 7.1 years supply of natural gas
                            15% conversion 6.49 years supply of natural gas
                            25% conversion 5.6 years supply of natural gas

                            How quick is the quick fix for oil prices?
                            10 motor companies including Ford, GM, and Chrysler manufactured alternate fuels vehicles.
                            They sold 1.8M alternate fuels vehicles in 2007
                            See http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/04...s-sold-in-200/
                            Ford, GM, and Chrysler could easily manufacture to 7.2M CNG conversions in one year if motivated.
                            Motivation would be 7.2M * $3000 per conversion = $7.2B gross income to each Ford, GM, and Chrysler.

                            5 independent companies manufacture CNG conversions for US after market. They probably sold 250,000 conversions. They could easily quadruple manufacture to 1M CNG conversions in one year

                            Total conversions manufactured in one year = 8.1M vehicles
                            This means in one year consumption of gas would be reduced by about 10%
                            This means refineries will be operating at 10% below capacity
                            This means refined gas imports would cease.
                            This means that $77B would not be spent on oil imports.

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                            • #15
                              Re: OK folks, Ford is listening!

                              Check out my thread where Rahm Emanuel is going to propose legislation to give incentives to our Motor companies to make CNG cars/trucks like they do in europe.

                              Ill is very close to Dearborn and Rahmn has a lot of clout on Capitol Hill.

                              http://cngchat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2690

                              Maybe Ford can get w/ Rahm and create some great incentives.
                              CH

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