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  • Ron Wagner
    started a topic Who needs LNG for trucks?

    Who needs LNG for trucks?

    I spoke to a rep. from Quantum. They make state of the art CNG cylinders. He said that with a dual fuel system a class 8 truck could get about 500 miles on a fill, figuring 6 mpg. My question is, who needs LNG then? He says LNG allows more room for other things and more storage. I say so what. You are paying more for LNG, the conversion, and maybe the maintenance. Your payback will be longer. It is a more complex system and must be used before it warms. 500 miles is an eight hour trip, surely you need a break after around eight hours of driving. I am told that the LNG trucks can get about 800 miles before refueling.

    I noticed a tank under a truck trailer yesterday. Is that for diesel? Is this something new?

    Who can give me the other side of the story?
    Last edited by Ron Wagner; 01-21-2013, 06:57 PM.

  • 300mileclub
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    David Rowlands, editor LNG INDUSTRY 25 March 2019 - DHL Freight has announced that it has deployed one of the first LNG-powered Iveco Stralis long-haul trucks capable of towing a mega trailer. Since summer of last year, four of these heavy-duty, long-haul trucks have been part of a sustainable transport solution for one of the world s largest developers and sellers of athletic footwear and sportswear. Now, for the first time, a natural gas powered truck can be combined with a mega trailer, which was not previously possible due to tank design.

    https://ngtnews.com/dhl-bmw-pilot-ln...ler-in-germany

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  • 300mileclub
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    McDonald's Adds Natural Gas Trucks to Logistics Network in Spain

    January 2, 2019 HDT TruckingInfo Staff Writer

    McDonald’s logistics network in Spain will now include 14 alternative-fuel powered vehicles that will run on either LNG or CNG.

    HAVI Spain, the fast-food restaurant s logistics provider, plans to add 12 vehicles that run on LNG fuel and two that run on CNG, according to HAVI. Previously, HAVI Spain had two CNG trucks making the new total 16 alt-fuel gas trucks. In Madrid, the vehicles will be fitted with special electrically-driven cooling equipment to cut carbon emissions and noise levels even further.

    An initiative between HAVI and Scania, called the HAVI-Scania greener fuels roadmap, is aligned with a Spanish government plan that promotes the transition of road transport fleets to low-emission vehicles, said HAVI. HAVI joined forces with vehicle manufacturer Scania to roll out a five-year roadmap towards significantly reducing the carbon footprint and overall environmental impact of McDonald s supply chain.

    https://www.truckinginfo.com/322027/...istics-network

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  • 300mileclub
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    NGVjournal November 20, 2018: Snam opens CNG/LNG refueling station in Pesaro, Italy. Liquigas, leader in Italy in the distribution of LNG for industrial and transport use, will guarantee the supply of the product to Acema. Acema has been managing fuel distribution and integrated services for service stations for over 70 years, while Snam4Mobility is Snam s subsidiary aimed at promoting development of natural gas and biomethane as transport fuels. The company currently has about 50 refueling stations under construction.

    The opening ceremony was also attended by the managing director of Acema Lorenzo Ponselè, the senior vice president of Snam4Mobility Andrea Ricci, the head of Sales for Great Customers and LNG of Liquigas Massimiliano Naso and the Business Line Medium & Heavy Manager of IVECO, Alessandro Oitana. The event also featured the exhibition of CNG and LNG vehicles, including the IVECO Stralis NP 460, which was awarded “Sustainable Truck of the Year 2019” at Ecomondo.

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  • 300mileclub
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    19th October 2018 - Recycling pioneers fuel new IVECO Eurocargo Natural Power with bio-gas from their own waste collections

    Recycling specialist Warrens Group has taken delivery of a 16-tonne IVECO Eurocargo Natural Power. Running on CNG, the company is also believed to be the first in the UK to refuel a truck with bio-gas made from its own food waste collections. The truck will be used to collect food waste from pubs, restaurants and supermarkets across the North East.

    Supplied by North East Truck and Van in Billingham, the Eurocargo Natural Power delivers the optimum performance for this application thanks to its six-cylinder engine with 750 Nm of torque and 204 hp. As it is already compliant with Euro VI step D emission levels, the vehicle can also enter restricted areas in city centres – a key requirement for the company as it looks to future-proof its fleet.

    Based in the North East of England, Warrens Group is a third-generation family business that currently converts 115,000 tonnes of food waste and organic-based materials into 100 million kWh of energy every year – enough to power 19,000 homes for 12 months.

    IVECO employs close to 21,000 individuals globally. It manages production sites in 7 countries throughout Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania and Latin America where it produces vehicles featuring the latest advanced technologies. 4,200 sales and service outlets in over 160 countries guarantee technical support wherever an IVECO vehicle is at work.

    www.iveco.com

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  • 300mileclub
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    2014 Odyssey Day CNG roadtrip - Canada to Mexico - nearly could have been completed without any fueling stops by the IVECO big rig noted in the prior post. Seattle to Los Angeles is only 1100 miles.

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  • 300mileclub
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    David Rowlands for LNG Industry 18 Oct 2018

    IVECO has announced that its Stralis NP 460hp truck from the UK has completed what is believed to be the longest ever journey by road on a single fill of LNG.

    The Stralis NP 4x2 tractor unit set off from London and was pulling a tri-axle box van trailer and running at a gross vehicle weight of 30 t. After a short ferry from Dover to Calais, IVECO claims that the LNG fueled truck completed the three day, 1728 km (1075 mi) road journey to Spain without needing to refuel – exceeding its official range of 1600 km to set a new distance record. This equates to an impressive LNG fuel cost saving of 40 percent versus diesel.

    Martin Flach, Alternative Fuels Director of IVECO, says: It was a chance to demonstrate how fuel-efficient the Stralis NP is, and to put our latest 460hp engine to ultimate the test.

    We brimmed the tank before we left London, and the first time we stopped for fuel was in Madrid two and a half days later. Running on 100 percent natural power means there’s no diesel or AdBlue to worry about, making it the simplest solution for both the fleet manager and the driver.

    Although there was heavy traffic in the UK, a strong head wind in France and the hilly Spanish section of the route, the truck recorded an impressive average fuel consumption of 22.6 kg per 100 km (6.7 mpg). (1 gal diesel = 2.44 kg LNG)

    IVECO planned the journey using MyBestRoute: a web-based application developed by Michelin to enable drivers to select the optimum route for any European journey, including plotting LNG refueling stations.

    https://www.lngindustry.com/small-sc...lng-completed/

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  • 300mileclub
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    Betsy Lillian for NGTNews May 2, 2018 - California-based U.S. Postal Service contractor AJR Trucking has taken delivery of a Kenworth T680 with a Cummins Westport 12-liter ISX12N CNG engine for its mail delivery fleet.

    According to the California Natural Gas Vehicle Partnership, Kenworth Truck Co. and AJR Trucking, this marks the first truck equipped with the Cummins Westport 12-liter ISX12N engine. The partners claim the ISX12N is the only engine to be certified by the California Air Resources Board (CARB) as meeting CARB s toughest optional Low NOx standard, which is 90 percent cleaner than current U.S. EPA emission standards. This is a game-changer in bringing to market a 400-horsepower near-zero engine.

    The Kenworth T680 will go into service delivering mail from Santa Clarita to Los Angeles International Airport. In subsequent weeks, 19 more T680s with the new 12-liter Cummins Westport engines will be delivered and placed into service for AJR Trucking. The trucks were purchased through Inland Kenworth – Montebello.

    https://ngtnews.com/kenworth-t680s-w...News+Headlines

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  • 300mileclub
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    Betsy Lillian for NGTNews April 10 2018 - Sacramento, Calif.-based Matheson Trucking Inc. is adding 18 new CNG tractors to its fleet in 2018.

    This month, the company – which is a U.S. Postal Service supplier – acquired six new 80,000-lb. Kenworth T680 tractors built for CNG, and 12 more are on order for delivery in the fall.

    These orders will bring the company s CNG fleet to 58 tractors. When combined with its existing 12 liquefied natural gas tractors, Matheson will have a total of 70 natural gas vehicles by December. In turn, 28% of Matheson’s 245 tractors will be powered by natural gas, with more expected to come.

    Our employees share our resolve as we make steady progress toward adopting sustainable fuel conversion processes we started back in 2013, says Charles Mellor, chief operating officer and general counsel at Matheson.

    https://ngtnews.com/matheson-truckin...tion-this-year

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  • 300mileclub
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    NGVJournal March 2, 2018 - Spanish supermarket chain Mercadona and its transport providers will allocate 4 million euros in 2018 to add 40 Iveco LNG-powered trucks for the cities of Madrid, Barcelona and Valencia, which will be added to the seven NGVs they operate since 2017 and which involved an investment of 1 million euros.

    Mercadona is also deploying vehicles for the so-called last-mile of distribution in cities. For this, the company already has three vans converted to dual fuel technology (natural gas/diesel) and in 2018 it plans to also use three dedicated CNG vans. 92 percent of the fleet now complies with the Euro VI and Euro VI C standards, which are the strictest in terms of emissions:

    http://www.ngvjournal.com/s1-news/c3...s-truck-fleet/

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  • 300mileclub
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    Rich Piellisch for Fleets & Fuels Aug 3, 2017 - In the heavy duty trucking sector, Clean Energy reports the addition of three large U.S. Postal Service carriers to its customer list bringing the total to 13 operators. They include one of the largest Post Office carriers, St. Augustine, Fla.-based Postal Fleet Services and as well as Thunder Ridge Transport, a carrier servicing 13 states, and Edward Zengel & Sons, also based out of Florida. . .

    http://www.fleetsandfuels.com/fuels/...-year-roundup/

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  • 300mileclub
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    The truck driver can look to TruckingInfo online magazine to learn about LNG:

    1. LNG has been used for decades by utilities as a way to store natural gas in the summer months when it is in less demand, then put it back into the pipeline system in the winter when demand is high.

    2. Since January 2016, LNG has been taxed at approximately the same rate as diesel. One of the things that really held LNG back was that LNG was taxed on a per gallon basis, but it took 1.7 LNG gallons to have the same diesel equivalent of energy.

    3. LNG is a very pure form of methane. Regular natural gas coming from a pipeline has contaminants such as ethane, nitrogen, propane, carbon dioxide and butane. Most of this drops out and is left behind during the liquefaction process. In addition, LNG does not have moisture or oil that can be in CNG.

    4. LNG is not explosive or flammable. It has to return to vapor form in order to be flammable, and even then, it has to be in a very narrow ratio of LNG-to-air before it can ignite.

    5. You don not have to worry about spill clean-up like you do with diesel. LNG vaporizes into the air, and does not mix with water.

    6. You can use LNG without being near a natural gas pipeline, although you do need to be within a certain radius of a liquefaction plant. The LNG is pumped into special cryogenic tanker trucks and delivered to fleet or truckstop fueling facilities.

    7. LNG is often cited as not being a good choice for vehicles that sit for long periods. Jaskolski notes that SAE standards require LNG fuel tanks to hold the fuel without venting for five days. For most trucking operations, he says, If you have got a truck sitting for more than five days, you have got bigger issues to worry about than venting. recommended is gloves and safety glasseshttp://www.truckinginfo.com/channel/...about-lng.aspx

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  • 300mileclub
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    Driver for Kroger in Portland Oregon offered a couple of comments about the LNG tractors his yard has had in service. Said the LNG tank does not hold enough fuel to match the range of the diesel truck he happened to be driving today. And there is no road service option to fall back on of having more fuel brought out to the rig. Also said there were so many pressure gages he questioned if the fuel system might be dangerous. Clearly not an informed opinion since LNG is not under much pressure and may actually be safer in an accident should it be released.

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  • 300mileclub
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    eBay has a 2011 Kenworth T800 with 120K miles in Fontana CA at a buy-it-now price of $23,900:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-Kenwort.../391887162770?

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  • cowboy
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    Originally posted by 300mileclub View Post
    Depending on how the CNG vs LNG power eventually settles out, expect to see DIESEL offered in the same fueling lane as CNG to accommodate the DUAL FUEL upfits, such as from American Power Group.

    http://www.americanpowergroupinc.com...nversions.html


    http://www.fleetsandfuels.com/fuels/...all-and-large/


    Xpress Natural Gas (XNG) uses six all-CNG Freightliners with the 11.9-liter ISX12 G engine from Cummins Westport and, especially for weights of more than 80,000 pounds, three dual fuel Freightliner Columbia trucks with 14 liter Detroit Diesel engines outfitted for CNG with kits from Floridas Diesel 2 Gas. XNG operations executive VP John Friedson says he favors the D2G dual fuel conversions for their simplicity. For me, ease of maintenance is a major factor, Friedson says. D2Gs dual fuel system, he says, is one of the simplest systems out there. XNG has 50 TITAN tube trailers made by Lincoln Composites which, when loaded with CNG, weigh 80,000 lb (empty weight 78,000).

    Of course, the best side-by-side comparison ever made was the data collected on LNG, CNG and DIESEL in the Parley Canyon test over a decade ago:


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    so we are using a tractor trailer to haul about 300 gge dont sound smart to me 2000 lbs payload can we spell stupid? my big ford has about 300 gge and I use 2000 lbs for a number for fuel weight for gross weight calculations. and keep in mind this is motor fuel not pay load why build a truck that can haul such a small % of its weight as payload STUPID

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