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    A 2008 Honda Civic GX (model years 2006 thru present have the 5 speed providing sufficient range) was used for the East/West trip along Interstate 40269/4.4 Albuquerque NM Sky Harbor Airport CE (50 mph, tires 40 psi, no A/C)

    Day 3
    000/0.5 Albuquerque NM Univ (fill again after 10 hr)
    295/4.1 Amarillo TX293/5.0 Albuquerque NM Univ (50 mph, tires 40 psi, no A/C)

    Day 9 (50 mph, tires 40 psi, no A/C)
    000/0.9 Albuquerque NM Univ (fill again after 9 hr)
    268/4.6 Winslow AZ LCNG CE (50 mph, tires 40 psi, no A/C)
    210/4.1 Phoenix AZ Sky Harbor CE

    Day 10 (28 Aug 2014)
    156/3.1 Blythe CA
    096/3.0 Indio CA SunLine CE
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  • 300mileclub
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    No issue with Mastercard/Visa reported last week on a trip from Nashville to CA. The readers don't like debit card versions. Regular Visa credit cards are no problem whatsoever. Winslow and Amarillo were great fills.

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  • 300mileclub
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    By heading east from Wichita to Guymon and Trinidad, your longest leg is 210 miles instead of the 290 miles between Amarillo and Albuquerque. This allows A/C use and full speeds. Naturally, you can continue on to Denver, Las Vegas, and on into SoCal. Register for a $50 hall pass to ACT Expo - good on May 4 & 5 - since you will be in the area.

    West bound, you could stop in Garden City KS and still have enough fuel to drop down to Liberal if need be. Give us a report. CNG4America plans to add a station in Limon CO which would offer a shortcut to Denver. Stay tuned.

    ?North Platte may eventually allow travel straight to Denver. It could be dispensing LNG now but, like the Pilot in Central Point Oregon, it may be undergoing an upgrade to LCNG for the long distance trucks (700 mile range) that are beginning to use these routes.

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  • Radiotron
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    Has anyone traveled this I-40 route more recently?

    I am considering a trip from Omaha to SoCal in. 2014 Honda Civic Natural Gas.

    I-70 through Denver is out due to the long leg without a CNG Station between Lincoln and Denver.

    Has any had experience with the Garden City Kansas CNG Station?

    Any recent intel is appreciated.

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  • 300mileclub
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    Love's Travel Stop in Williams announced it began selling CNG 17 Nov 2015. Lengthy delay due to pipeline construction difficulties. Having fuel available in Williams will allow higher speeds on Interstate 40's longest grade East of nearby city of Ash Fork. Visiting South Rim of the Grand Canyon 60 miles from Williams is now possible!
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  • 300mileclub
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    Just completed 6600 mile (originated in Salem Oregon) Barstow to Houston CNG round trip using a 2008 GX on Interstate 40 eastbound and Interstate 70 westbound. Because consumer VISA card was declined with cryptic messages at the Flying J/ Pilot truck stops (Clean Energy), a VOYAGER fleet card (issued by US Bank, abbreviated below as USB) was used successfully EVERYWHERE IT WAS TRIED. BTW, the Civic with 175,000 miles on it needed no maintenance whatsoever the whole trip.

    dist odometer gge mpg station
    000 172926 0.0 00 Barstow CA USB LCNG 17 Oct 2015
    162 173088 3.4 48 Henderson NV 75mph
    121 173209 3.7 33 Lake Havasu City AZ USB LCNG 65mph thru CA portion
    xxx xxxxxx x.x xx (Williams AZ Loves station was set to open week of Oct 26 - week after I got there)
    248 173457 5.6 44 Winslow AZ USB LCNG (~60mph in 75 zone, 4000ft elevation gain)
    256 173713 5.1 50 Albuquerque NM USB LCNG (~60mph in 75 zone)
    299 174012 x.x xx Amarillo TX AMP (4 bars fuel remaining ~60mph in 75 zone. Trillium dispenser gave free tank of gas-was repaired later that day)
    188 174200 3.1 61 Harrold TX AMP (American Milk Producers had these stations put in at strategic locations) 80mph
    141 174341 3.4 41 Ft Worth TX AMP 80mph (4600 Blue Mound)
    100 174441 2.9 34 Waco TX AMP 80mph
    107 174548 3.0 36 Austin TX AUS 80mph
    217 174765 5.2 42 Houston TX 80mph Clean Energy
    191 174956 5.7 33 Austin TX AUS 80mph
    199 175155 5.3 38 Brock TX AMP 75mph
    047 175202 1.4 34 Ft Worth AMP
    115 175317 3.7 31 Thackerville OK 80mph
    128 175445 4.5 28 Harrold TX 80 mph
    211 175656 5.7 37 Amarillo TX Loves 80mph (USB-just to test it out. VISA also works)
    131 175787 5.1 26 Guymon OK 80mph
    224 176011 7.1 32 Trinidad CO 80mph (station opened 2 weeks ago)
    085 176096 2.4 35 Pueblo CO 75 mph
    174 176270 4.4 40 Firestone CO USB 75 mph (VISA didnt work-recommend using WARD ENERGY stations in Boulder instead)
    225 176495 5.2 43 Parachute CO (~60mph 4000ft elevation gain)
    161 176656 3.9 41 Grand Junction CO 80mph
    108 176764 1.8 xx Moab 60mph (only 3K fills avail)
    190 176954 5.2 43 Scipio UT 75mph (only motel in town is Scipio Hotel - reasonable rate and clean)
    126 177080 3.3 38 Cedar City UT 80mph
    169 177249 3.3 51 Las Vegas NV 75mph (Losee Sinclair)
    183 177432 4.3 43 Barstow CA 80mph VISA 25 Oct 2015
    Total 4506 miles 112.7gge 40mpg 9 days

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  • 300mileclub
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    Re: Crossing the Southwest on Interstate 40 with public CNG fueling

    Presently, Williams Love's is not dispensing CNG. Once the Travel Stop is connected to the gas pipeline a mile away, the CNG will be operational. The delay is a result of difficult trenching due to rock. The travel stop phone number is 928.635.9958

    Until then, the most dependable CNG is still Blythe > Phoenix > Tucson > Deming > Albuquerque (airport) > Amarillo. Credit/Debit cards are almost sure not to work at Flying J in Albuquerque; may work at Flying J in Winslow; and have no trouble working in Amarillo (because it's either Love's or Trillium.) If a driver has practice with another card - such as Voyager, American Express, or Discover - at a Flying J that won't leave a car stranded as Winslow would (nothing is close enough to drive back to without getting a fill up) - and is confident the CLEAN ENERGY dispensers at these Flying J/Pilot truck stops work reliably using the card, then the LCNG stations in Winslow and Albuquerque would be worth using. I would not be surprised if someone were to report that a commercial fueling card, such as WEX or PILOT Fleet card/Road Warrior card would work better. A Clean Energy card is guaranteed to work.
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  • 300mileclub
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    Re: Crossing the Southwest on Interstate 40 with public CNG fueling

    Highway speeds of 60-65 with a 2008 GX for ~300mi distances in a 2008 GX left 3-5 bars remaining on fuel gage before fill-up.

    ABQ > Winslow 60mph 272mi 5.1gge 53 mpg Westbound 4 bars left
    Winslow > ABQ 65mph 292mi 5.9gge 49.5mpg Eastbound 5 bars left
    ABQ > Amarillo 60mph 294mi 5.1gge 57.6mpg Eastbound -
    Amarillo > ABQ 65mph 315mi 6.4gge 49.2mpg Westbound 3 bars left

    67F; no A/C; 42psi tires; 1 person with 100lb luggage; posted speed 75mph; 2008GX

    I had a chance to drive from Blythe CA to Austin TX the first week of May and wanted to test that a reasonable speed of 65mph was acceptable for the long stretches of Interstate-40. I agree with the previous posts that my first runs at "50mph were a hazard to myself and everyone else on the road" in Aug 2014. I was still not willing to test the other comment that "newer versions of the Civic (2012) will be fine at 65-70mph with AC on."

    Loves and Trillium in Amarillo are reliable CNG sources with any kind of card. I've never been able to get any debit/credit card to work at the Flying J/Pilot LCNG station in ABQ - it's necessary to hunt down the old CNG dispenser at Sunport. The Winslow Flying J/Pilot LCNG station took a VISA card outbound but almost didn't take any debit or credit card on my return. I literally had both credit and debit cards declined on the first truck dispenser and the debit card declined on the second dispenser just prior to the credit card being authorized. The only sure way to get fuel presently is to continue to use Phoenix to Deming (if working) to Albuquerque (ABQ.) I will look into getting a Pilot corporate card at a station that won't strand me while I'm verifying that the card works.

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  • Curtis
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    Re: Crossing the Southwest on Interstate 40 with public CNG fueling

    Bill, 300mileclub, has done great work outlining what it is going to take to cross the US on I-40, for those of you who may use that route. We are excited about the Grand Opening of the Love's station in William's AZ and the "Green Across America - Border-to-border" driving team of Eloo (Evelyn Corbitt) and myself are planning to attend this event on May 5th, 2015.

    I invite any of you NGV owners (that can make it) to join the "CNGChat.com Cruize-In" at 4 pm on May 5th at the Love's Travel Stop CNG station ribbon cutting ceremony, in Williams, AZ.

    Post questions to this thread about driving routes, refueling, road conditions (like the road work in Kingman, AZ that creates 1 lane each direction (bit of a fuel robber) Mark McCovnille, of the famous Route 66 CNG Road Trip in the converted 1966 GTO will be there to provide fuel, as the station won't be connected to the gas supply just yet. Don't you hate bureaucratic delays? As will Evelyn and Curtis, along with the Green Across America Honda Civic.

    We are having a Cruise-In meeting at the South Rims Beer & Wine Garage for lunch at 1 pm, prior to the ribbon cutting (we're buying.) Part of the meeting will be to acknowledge the folks that made the "Green Across America - Border-to-border" trip possible. The centerpiece of the restaurant is a 1967 GTO, sort of a hat's off Mark McConville. See info below.

    For those who want to try and car pool to the event, post inquiries in the related thread in the Community Buzz forum:
    http://www.cngchat.com/forum/showthread.php?12789-Cruise-In-Williams-AZ-May-5th-2015-4-pm


    Edit

    LOVE'S TRAVEL STOP - Williams, AZ


    6035 E MINVERVA LN
    KINGMAN, AZ 86401
    9286814405
    Last edited by Curtis; 05-03-2015, 04:03 PM.

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  • 300mileclub
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    Re: Williams AZ Love's opens a 206mi route from Las Vegas via Kingman to I-40 for CNG

    Love's Corporate confirmed, by phone April 1, that the Williams AZ Travel Stop will open April 9th. A ribbon cutting is set for Cinco de Mayo, May 5 2015.

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  • 300mileclub
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    Re: Williams AZ Love's opens a 206mi route from Las Vegas via Kingman to I-40 for CNG

    Love's Corporate has put off the I-40 Williams AZ Travel Stop ribbon cutting until May when the CNG will be ready. Other fuels and the convenience store should be ready the second week of April, though. Update came from the regional manager today.

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  • 300mileclub
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    Williams AZ Love's opens a 206mi route from Las Vegas via Kingman to I-40 for CNG!

    Love's is set to open Thu 9 April 2015 at 1055 N Grand Canyon Blvd, Williams, AZ. The ribbon-cutting ceremony will be held the day before the travel stop opens on Apr 8.

    Manager Mike Breclaw says, "It's almost there, and I know it's coming up on tourism season. . .this is my first time opening a new store though so I'm excited - everything is brand new!" The travel stop sits on about 14 acres of land and is about 12,000 square feet, including the convenience store, Carl's Jr. and Subway restaurants.

    http://williamsnews.com/main.asp?Sec...rticleID=14908


    Interstate 40 is the former Route 66 and has long catered to both commerce and tourism. Here is a sampler of sights along the way or more ideas of things to see, try:

    http://www.ps3youtube.com/v/californ...eo-L4PgVvAaiAg

    http://www.historic66.com/description/


    Road (weather) conditions for the second week in April can be found before setting out:

    http://quickmap.dot.ca.gov

    http://nmroads.com

    http://www.az511.gov/adot/files/traffic/

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  • 300mileclub
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    Re: Crossing the Southwest on Interstate 40 with public CNG fueling

    Love's in Williams won't be open for another month in Williams AZ according to a call this morning to the Chevron station across the street. But here's a 2015 roadmap for crossing the country this summer:

    http://www.csnews.com/product-catego...k-keep-growing

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  • John Mitton
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    Re: Crossing the Southwest on Interstate 40 with public CNG fueling

    I moved some off-topic posts regarding methane content & BTU values here:
    http://www.cngchat.com/forum/showthr...amp-BTU-values

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  • 300mileclub
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    Re: Crossing the Southwest on Interstate 40 with public CNG fueling

    There are now Coast-to-Coast routes on both I-20 and I-40 that have been driven in sections this year in the Honda Civics. This is a result of new CNG stations in Winslow AZ, Albuquerque NM, Amarillo TX, and Monroe, LA. Loves in Williams AZ will open in January, shortening the I_40 route by 155 miles.

    There are some stretches West of Amarillo TX that high fuel economy measures need to be practiced, such as max speed 55mph, hold rpms under 2500 for upgrades (40mph like trucks), full tire pressure, avoid strong headwinds (try night time), avoid times when snow chains are required, and fill the tank a second time after waiting 3 hours at the start of the run (only adds ~ 1/2 gge.) For planning purposes, these road condition web sites have camera views to show snow conditions and slow traffic:

    http://quickmap.dot.ca.gov

    http://nmroads.com

    http://www.az511.gov/adot/files/traffic/

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