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  • 300mileclub
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    Las Vegas was reached via Hwy 93 from Phoenix with 1 Bar left, 6 gge fill 269 miles according to a new comment on cngprices Henderson NV Sinclair CNG station. There is a 7425ft total elevation gain (includes intermediate hills from veloroutes.org) for this route the way it was driven westbound, and 6475ft total gain if driven eastbound. Highest elevation on this route is 4200 ft.

    Until Loves in Williams AZ opens, trying to drive from Las Vegas to Winslow would be another matter altogether. At 297mi, it is almost 30 miles further (that would use up that last fuel gage bar!) And, although the Westbound 6450ft total gain matches the drive from Las Vegas to Phoenix, the Eastbound total gain for Las Vegas to Winslow is 9675ft. With a max elevation for this route of 7300fthttp://veloroutes.org/bikemaps/?route=123363


    http://veloroutes.org/bikemaps/?route=123364


    http://veloroutes.org/bikemaps/?route=123365


    http://veloroutes.org/bikemaps/?route=123366

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  • 300mileclub
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    Loves Williams AZ CNG station should be open in January according to contractor. Great recon (using gasoline) from our Border-to-Border driver Evelyn! For anyone north of Bakersfield CA, Williams will shorten the Eastbound trip by eliminating having to use Blythe and Phoenix to reach I-40 .
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  • 300mileclub
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    The Loves at 1055 N Grand Canyon Blvd, Williams, AZ will open a new 206 mile route from Las Vegas to I-40 via Kingman. Hiring of store manager and staff is presently underway. A phone number is not available yet. By not having to detour south to Blythe and Phoenix, a San Francisco to East Coast trip will be shortened by 300 miles.

    http://www.loves.com/AboutUs/MediaCe...workonI40.aspx

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  • 300mileclub
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    What range does your 2002 bi- fuel Chevy pickup have on CNG? Were you driving the 75 mph speed limit? Thanks for confirming that LCNG is available at the Albuquerque Flying J. The other two CNG stations in ABQ work reliably but are relics from the past with tight access compared to any modern truck stop.

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  • KSneedsCNG
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    Originally posted by 300mileclub View Post
    The “America’s Natural Gas Highway” LNG stations in Albuquerque NM and in Winslow AZ will provide CNG (via LCNG equipment for which all ANGH stations are designed) for 58 additional trucks being deployed by Seaboard Transport.

    http://www.fleetsandfuels.com/fuels/...-ng-advantage/
    Recent trip to California let me fill at both of these locations . . . they are TERRIFIC for the LCNG fill of CNG. Fuel is very cold and expands as it warms up so I got RECORD cumulative miles on those tanks.

    At one stop, observed a Seaboard Transport big rig 18 wheeler filling up and it was Kenworth with 5 or 6 large Type IV carbon fiber tanks in enclosure behind the cab for CNG. Driver said he loved the truck and thought power was nearly equivalent of prior diesels that he drove.

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  • 300mileclub
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    The “America’s Natural Gas Highway” LNG stations in Albuquerque and in Winslow, Ariz. will provide CNG (via LCNG equipment for which all ANGH stations are designed) for 58 additional trucks being deployed by Seaboard Transport.

    http://www.fleetsandfuels.com/fuels/...-ng-advantage/

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  • gap23
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    Thank you for the reply; I did look at On Cue in Oklahoma City. When I went to http://www.altfuelprices.com/station_map.php

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  • 300mileclub
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    Regarding the CA to MI trip, you noted that the Springfield MO station only has weekday hours. It was used by the Coast-to-Coast trip in 2012 but, several years earlier, it had difficulties. WITHOUT THIS STATION, the distance between the last and next stations would be 360 miles. Not sure what you're driving (may even be bi-fuel), but your trip planning came up with the shortest route (955 miles from Elk City to MI) and the info is well organized. I would suggest OnCue for the cheapest price in Oklahoma City - they're great stations (3901 NW Expressway.) Blue Energy (101 S Main) in Owasso OK is also a good alternate.

    An alternate route (450 miles longer) to use East of Elk City would be:

    118mi 405.672.3420 On Cue Express 5500 SE 29th St Del City, OK
    065mi 918.623.2024 Loves Travel Stop 102 W Coplin St Okemah, OK
    116mi 405.935.8252 OnCue Express 4419 Main St Arkoma, OK
    165mi 501.951.2973 CNG Station 320 Curtis Sykes Dr North Little Rock, AR
    139mi 901.320.1062 MLGW Choctaw Station 1130 Tupelo St Memphis, TN
    (one of the following)
    208mi 800.920.1166 Trillium CNG - First St. - Nashville, TN 402 North 1st St Nashville, TN
    208mi 800.950.3835 Clean N' Green / Waste Management 1428 Antioch Pike Nashville, TN
    (one of the following)
    167mi 800.950.3835 Clean N Green 7501 Grade Lane Louisville, KY (not working well, can try Fair Oaks Dairy)
    167mi 312.300.6700 Clean Energy - Fair Oaks Dairy 7507 Highway 31 E Sellersburg, IN

    126mi 260.229.2323 CNG FUEL INC. 510 South Post Rd Indianapolis, IN
    203mi 260.229.2323 CNG FUEL INC. Findlay 5343 Distribution Dr. Findlay, OH
    085mi 734.677.7129 Meijer 3825 Carpenter Rd Ypsilanti, MI

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  • advancedfuel
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    Originally posted by Lakewood90712 View Post
    Coasting downhill in neutral on with a car built in the last 15 years or so will use more fuel than in drive, as well as being unsafe. Coasting out of gear is also illegal everywhere I know of.

    Modern fuel injection does a 100% fuel cutoff with an automatic transmission on downhill coast, throttle off, using the air pumping thru the engine for compression braking , but it does put some stress on the transmission. The rpm on a cvt goes really high coasting downhill in drive.

    Not sure, but I think manual trans cars also do a fuel cut-off when coasting in gear . Maybe some of the gear heads can chime in on this.
    Yes manuals also have DFCO (Decel Fuel Cutoff). All vehicles I know of use engine load, demand, RPM, gear, and speed to determine when to put the car into DFCO.

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  • gap23
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    ($2.14 per gge) Sunline Transit
    83255 Highway 111, Indio, CA 92201 (GPS: 33.71290, -116.23350) 52 miles
    ($2.75 per gge) City of Blythe
    440 S Main, Blythe, CA 92225 (GPS: 33.60326, -114.59746) 97 miles
    ($2.35 per gge) Washington Unified School District (602-347-4809)
    12641 N 39th Avenue Phoenix, AZ 85029 (GPS: 33.60112, -112.14238) 158 miles
    ($2.29 per gge) Clean Energy, Winslow AZ LCNG
    400 Transcon Lane, Winslow, AZ 86047 (GPS: 35.01542, -110.67470) 192 miles
    Disconnect the trailer at Walmart Supercenter 2701 Carlisle Blvd NE, Albuquerque, NM 87110 505-884-6650
    ($2.29 per gge) Clean Energy - Albuquerque Airport (directions in comments) (505-975-4064) 268 miles
    2200 Sunport Blvd. SE, Albuquerque, NM 87106-3247 (GPS: 35.05272, -106.61535)
    ($2.30 per gge) AMP Trillium (312-300-6700)
    2438 South Pullman Road, Amarillo, TX 79118 (GPS: 35.18789, -101.70727) 301 miles
    ($1.79 per gge) Hutchinson Oil, LLC (888-609-2410)
    20207 E 1110 County Rd, Elk City, OK 73648 (GPS: 35.40570, -99.40507) 146 miles
    ($1.69 per Gallon) Conoco Reno-Mart
    3701 West Reno Ave., Oklahoma City, OK 73125 (GPS: 35.46472, -97.58369) 104 miles
    ($1.87 per gge) Apache CNG
    5011 S. Vandalia Ave, Tulsa, OK 74135 (GPS: 36.09165, -95.92257)
    101 S Main St ,Owasso, OK 74055 918-641-2583
    CNGNGO 4333 W 530 Rd, Pryor Creek, OK 74361 918-581-4311
    ($1.88 per gge) City of Springfield MO (417-864-1458)
    1111 W. Chestnut Expressway, Springfield, MO 65802 (GPS: 37.21541, -93.30599)
    ? ($1.99 per gge) Spire CNG (314-499-5682 (M-F 8-5))
    4231 Cypress Road, Saint Ann, MO 63074 (GPS: 38.73923, -90.38748)
    ($2.55 per gge) Ozinga Energy (708 - 446 5542)
    400 Blaine Street, Gary, IN 46406 (GPS: 41.60552, -87.42939)

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  • 300mileclub
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    This coast-to-coast planned route stays with Interstate 40 Eastbound through Memphis and then heads south to join Interstate 20 through Birmingham and Atlanta before heading for Florida. There are fewer long stretches East of Elk City. This route totals 2600 miles; 37 hours driving time; 18 fuel stops; and consumes (37 mpg) 70gge CNG - less than $175.

    miles/phone/company/address
    000 760.922.6611 City of Blythe 440 S Main St Blythe, CA
    162 800.950.3835 Waste Management 2137 West Williams Dr Phoenix, AZ
    184 928.289.2081 Flying J 400 Transcon Lane Winslow, AZ
    265 505.277.3650 U of NM 1140 University Blvd NE Albuquerque, NM
    292 312.300.6700 AMP/Trillium 2438 South Pullman Rd Amarillo, TX
    140 888.609.2410 Hutchinson Oil Bk H Elk City, OK (close to: 102 Regional Dr)
    118 405.672.3420 On Cue Express 5500 SE 29th St Del City, OK
    065 918.623.2024 Loves Travel Stop 102 W Coplin St Okemah, OK
    116 405.935.8252 OnCue Express 4419 Main St Arkoma, OK
    165 501.951.2973 CNG Station 320 Curtis Sykes Dr North Little Rock, AR
    139 901.320.1062 MLGW Choctaw Station 1130 Tupelo St Memphis, TN
    115 662.282.4261 NE MS Natural Gas District 689 Hodges Dr Mantachie, MS
    143 205.655.5119 Happy Hollow Chevron 5347 Deerfoot Parkway Trussville, AL
    157 404.675.1950 Premier Transportation CNG 323 Cash Memorial Blvd Forest Park, GA
    093 800.920.1166 AMP 523 Perry Parkway Perry, GA
    128 229.242.2200 Langdale Fuel 1628 James P Rodgers Dr Valdosta, GA
    213 800.920.1166 AMP 2920 Silver Star Rd Orlando, FL
    091 800.920.1166 Trillium CNG 4614 South 50th St Tampa, FL

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  • 300mileclub
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    The two Clean Energy CNG stations in Albuquerque - Sunport (Airport) and University - are "vintage" single dispensers which a big rig would find difficult to reach. The Albuquerque ANGH station will offer the big trucks and the public CNG (As I drove west leaving town, I saw the characteristic LNG tank "tower"):

    http://www.fleetsandfuels.com/fuels/...-ng-advantage/


    . . . The “America’s Natural Gas Highway (ANGH)” LNG stations in Albuquerque and in Winslow, Ariz. will provide CNG (via LCNG equipment for which all ANGH stations are designed) for 58 additional trucks being deployed by Seaboard Transport . . .

    Maybe the ANGH station already is providing CNG, but I didn't check while I was there. The takeaway from this is that by visiting these ANGH stations, it can be verified that they are built (Amarillo had the excavating finished with a gas valving tree sticking out of the ground), loaded with fuel (Gretna and North Platte remain ready, but empty according to an Aug cngchat post), and equipped with the 4 ASME tubes and an expansion tube unit (Winslow, Ft Worth, San Antonio) to offer CNG from the LNG.

    It may also be confirmed that the ANGH will not be offering CNG - which I found to be true for Waco TX by visiting it - usually because CNG isn't needed due to other nearby CNG stations. Plus, I think the CNG would cost more to acquire by the station by making it from LNG than to compress utility gas supplied from a pipe.

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  • Lakewood90712
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    Coasting downhill in neutral on with a car built in the last 15 years or so will use more fuel than in drive, as well as being unsafe. Coasting out of gear is also illegal everywhere I know of.

    Modern fuel injection does a 100% fuel cutoff with an automatic transmission on downhill coast, throttle off, using the air pumping thru the engine for compression braking , but it does put some stress on the transmission. The rpm on a cvt goes really high coasting downhill in drive.

    Not sure, but I think manual trans cars also do a fuel cut-off when coasting in gear . Maybe some of the gear heads can chime in on this.
    Last edited by Lakewood90712; 09-02-2014, 09:50 PM.

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  • 300mileclub
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    A planned Coast-to-Coast route based on 2014 California to Oklahoma Interstate 40 road trip:

    Still waiting on an AMP/Trillium CNG station to open at 338 Highway 594 Monroe, LA which, according to cngprices.com comments, Trillium now says is forecasted to open October 1st, 2014. This will keep the Eastern leg of the cross-country route higher up on I-20 instead of dropping down to I-10 where a somewhat lengthy leg connects Thomasville GA to Pensacola FL. But, for now, the planned route totals 2800 miles; 41 hours driving time; 20 fuel stops; and consumes (37 mpg) 75gge CNG - less than $200.

    (miles)
    000 440 S Main Blythe, CA
    162 2137 West Williams Drive Phoenix, AZ
    184 400 Transcon Lane Winslow, AZ
    265 1140 University Blvd NE Albuquerque, NM (closer to I-40 than airport station)
    292 2438 South Pullman Road Amarillo, TX
    140 Bk H Elk City, OK (close to: 102 Regional Dr Elk City OK)
    167 1601 West Airline Road Pauls Valley, OK
    148 3526 Security Street Garland, TX (Dallas)
    127 131 Pittman Street Longview, TX
    088 796 Washington Ave. Mansfield, LA
    092 6016 Old Boyce Hwy Alexandria, LA
    097 515 E. Verot School Rd. Lafayette, LA
    130 1017 Airline Dr Kenner, LA (new Orleans)
    209 3320 Copter Road Pensacola, Fl
    217 1334 W Jackson St, Thomasville, GA
    046 1628 James P Rodgers Drive Valdosta, GA
    141 2805 Southeast 32nd Avenue Ocala, FL
    081 2920 Silver Star Road Orlando, FL
    091 4750 West South Avenue Tampa, FL
    or to Miami from Orlando:
    227 19499 NW 2nd Ave Miami Gardens, FL

    Test trip from Blythe CA to Pauls Valley OK 19-29 Aug 2014 used a 2008 Honda Civic GX with two people plus 200 lbs of luggage. Segments over 250 miles were driven with A/C off at 50 mph with tires inflated to 40 psi resulting in 4 bars remaining on the fuel gage when the CNG station was reached. It is recommended to use the same technique, but hold 55 or 60 mph on subsequent trips. The tachometer was kept below 2500 when climbing up grades, and down grades were done in neutral with engine on. Because much of the route is posted 75mph, it is very important to match traffic speed when groups of vehicles are trying to pass, and to turn on flashers at night to warn vehicles as they approach from behind.

    The trip legs through Phoenix, Winslow, and Albuquerque are subject to snow chain restrictions following storms from November to March
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