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  • Ericlvboy
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    Im a conversion tech we have done about 20 ecoboost 2012 -2017 with landi and prins i favor prins works flawlessly
    Landi renzo to many anomolies to wory about each vehicle is adjusted differntly and still has problems
    But prins r all done the same and all run perfectly

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  • beaker
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    Re: 2012 F-150 Eco-boost

    Originally posted by Skipper View Post
    Just wondering is it is easy to replicate... that what I meant. MY post above explain the concerns. While we are here, can you please explain what it takes to be "approved" in Canada? All I have seen is a reference to the Canada DOT... but is that just limited to fire code/high pressure safety like USDOT?
    Skipper,

    I go thru my local gas utility company for the conversion. They sub the job to a local installer. The gas company (Enbridge) buy the kit from EcoFuel and it's sent to the installer. I made an appointment to drop off my vehicle. So I do not know the regulations and certifications required to have a kit installed here. The installer is licensed as a gas fitter to install not only NG kits but propane as well. The Ontario Ministry Of Transport writes the safety and installation requirements that the installer has to follow. I know there are provincial as well as federal regulations.

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  • Skipper
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    Re: 2012 F-150 Eco-boost

    Just wondering is it is easy to replicate... that what I meant. MY post above explain the concerns. While we are here, can you please explain what it takes to be "approved" in Canada? All I have seen is a reference to the Canada DOT... but is that just limited to fire code/high pressure safety like USDOT?

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  • beaker
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    Re: 2012 F-150 Eco-boost

    Originally posted by Skipper View Post
    This converted ecoboost seems fishy... they may have got something to work but without details and tech specs I'll just say it's not legit. Anyone can convert almost anything with enough time and effort... but is is scalable and reliable for the consumer?
    Skipper,
    What do you mean "fishy"?

    I've got over 68,000 kms on my truck! 53,000 of that has been with the Natural Gas conversion. Check with EcoFuels if you need "details and tech specs". My is running perfectly. I'm getting around 12.5 liters/100 km's average at about 0.20 per liter! Gasoline here is 1.35ish per liter. So you tell me. There are pictures in my profile of the conversion. Feel free to have a look at a converted Ecoboost.

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  • Skipper
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    Re: 2012 F-150 Eco-boost

    This converted ecoboost seems fishy... they may have got something to work but without details and tech specs I'll just say it's not legit. Anyone can convert almost anything with enough time and effort... but is is scalable and reliable for the consumer?

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  • trdscfjc
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    Re: 2012 F-150 Eco-boost

    can you post some pics please?

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  • topher
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    Re: 2012 F-150 Eco-boost

    And let me add..I tried to get the v8 but they were out of them so I was stucj with getting the Eco boost...but it was ford truck month lol

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  • topher
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    Re: 2012 F-150 Eco-boost

    Just bought two of these and well... Being I'm such a huge fan of CNG ... I want them to be cng. My preference is to have tgt do the conversions if they even offer it for these trucks. I really need to email Tom and see. I'm also interested to see if we could do CNG on a 2013,explorer and put a tank some where.

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  • beaker
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    Re: 2012 F-150 Eco-boost

    Hi wmarsden

    Eco Fuel does not supply the tank. That's a decision you need to make with your installer. My choice was based on daily distance, re certified tank and weight consideration. The kit price will vary based on tanks (size, number and material), mounting arrangement, new vs re certified etc. You need to find an installer and speak with them. The Eco web site lists installers.

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  • wmarsden
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    Re: 2012 F-150 Eco-boost

    Thanks beaker,

    Does Eco Fuel Systems have other (larger) CNG tanks for their kits, and how much did the kit and installation cost?

    Happy to hear that you love the system and that it is working out well for you!

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  • beaker
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    Re: 2012 F-150 Eco-boost

    wmarsden,

    I am very happy with my ecoboosted F150 and even happier with it on CNG!

    I drive 120 kms round trip to work Mon to Fri. 600 kms per week + weekends. I have 38000 kms on my truck now and 23000 of those are on CNG! My single tank (approx 19 liter gas equiv) is good for about 160 kms on a 3200 psi fill. I have a home compressor and in the winter I get 2500 psi fills and 2900 in summer. I can do the work trip on 2500 psi but its close by the time I get home. As there are not many stations around here I rely on my VRA. But, I also have the full gasoline system. Over the last few months I've been using about 1 liter of gasoline a day.

    As far as the engine it's self. I had it to the dealers last fall for a hesitation and they updated the ECU software and added a deflector to the CAC. This has not solved the problem. I will be taking it back to see about the new CAC TSB. Running on CNG the engine is almost as responsive as gasoline but as it has 365 hp there is plenty to spare.

    As I am in Canada the kit I have doesn't need to meet EPA standards. Just Canadian DOT standards. I'm not sure if Eco Fuel Systems had certified for EPA yet. You will need to check with them.

    Hope this helps you in your decision.

    I would not change my mind about this engine/CNG conversion. It does all I ask it to do.

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  • wmarsden
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    Re: 2012 F-150 Eco-boost

    beaker - I would love to know more about your Ecoboost conversion! This sounds really cool! I currently own and drive a 99 ford f150 bi-fuel, and a 2010 ford f150 5.4 liter gasoline truck. I love them both! I drive the old 99 junker all the time because of the cheap cng. But my 2010 is a platinum and very nice. I consistently get 20 mpg with the 2010.

    However, I love the new ecoboost engines and am waiting (I'm glad that ford figured out the 'shudder/loss of power/limp mode' problem associated with water condensing in the CAC) so I can get one. I'm really interested in getting an ecoboost to run on cng, as well as on ethanol.

    Let me know how things are going with your ecoboost: how many mile drive, mileage, power with cng, cost of conversion, etc.

    Thanks!

    wm

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  • Dearborn
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    Re: 2012 F-150 Eco-boost

    Originally posted by beaker View Post
    Dearborn, You need to do a bit of research into CNG systems that are added to the Ecoboost. Not slagging you just want to inform you. With the Eco Fuel system that I have, my truck always starts on gasoline then switches over to CNG. The direct injection pump is always running and the gasoline injectors are switched off. The fuel is returned to the tank. At this point I do not know the reliability of the DI pump , but I would assume it would be similar to a non-CNG equipped engine going the same time/distance. When I deplete the CNG to the minimum psi setting (approx 200 psi) the CNG system switches seamlessly over to gasoline. Therefore every trip I take I use / exercise my gasoline system. Hope this helps. One more thing. If my gasoline system was to fail I can not start on CNG.
    When the EcoFuel controller is switches off the gasoline injectors, then the solenoid valve on the DI pump will cease being energized and it will cease to pump. The DI pump's piston will always reciprocate until it seizes, but it does not have a net flow out of the pump. If it ceases to pump, it ceases to be lubricated and will eventually seize.

    However, if the EcoFuel system altered the plumbing to allow flow from the high pressure side (55 to 1500 psi) to the low pressure side (65 psi), then the pump could continue to flow fuel and perhaps remain lubricated.

    But, if the facts say that the gasoline system remains functional, I won't argue with success.

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  • beaker
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    Re: 2012 F-150 Eco-boost

    Dearborn, You need to do a bit of research into CNG systems that are added to the Ecoboost. Not slagging you just want to inform you. With the Eco Fuel system that I have, my truck always starts on gasoline then switches over to CNG. The direct injection pump is always running and the gasoline injectors are switched off. The fuel is returned to the tank. At this point I do not know the reliability of the DI pump , but I would assume it would be similar to a non-CNG equipped engine going the same time/distance. When I deplete the CNG to the minimum psi setting (approx 200 psi) the CNG system switches seamlessly over to gasoline. Therefore every trip I take I use / exercise my gasoline system. Hope this helps. One more thing. If my gasoline system was to fail I can not start on CNG.

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  • Dearborn
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    Re: 2012 F-150 Eco-boost

    I would expect the direct injection pump to seize eventually if a direct injection motor was converted to CNG. VW took some added actions to make sure that their direct injection pump did not seize and the injectors not not fail. That was written up in a public report somewhere. But if you always use CNG, I guess it is OK to fail the gasoline portion of the system.

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