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  • New CNG pumps on the market.

    Could we start a sticky on new CNG home pumps on the market? I have come across some, and would like opinons on them. We could also use this to discuss pros and cons, and news on the GE/Westinghouse/Eaton pump that is coming, and should we wait for it since it will supposedly only be around $500.

    1. http://glfuel.com/page4/page5/index.html

    2. http://www.bauercomp.com/sites/defau...G_Brochure.pdf

    3. http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%...oHGGHsYRlpWkfw

    4.http://simpkinsenergy.com/

    5. http://www.brcfuelmaker.it/eng/casa/chi_siamo.asp

    6. http://www.cngpumpswest.com/products.html

    7. http://www.cngpump.com/shoppingcart/

    8.http://machinery.alibaba.com/cng-pump.html

    What do you think?

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    Re: New CNG pumps on the market.

    Sure, I will move this over to the Home Refueling forum...

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    • #3
      Re: New CNG pumps on the market.

      Originally posted by Ron Wagner View Post
      Could we start a sticky on new CNG home pumps on the market? I have come across some, and would like opinons on them. We could also use this to discuss pros and cons, and news on the GE/Westinghouse/Eaton pump that is coming, and should we wait for it since it will supposedly only be around $500.


      What do you think?
      #2 Bauer is high end equipment , #4 "Simpkins" using a custom package Coltri compressor with remote panel, looks very good , but like somewhere north of $15,000 , #7 Cngpump , has a long running thread http://cngchat.com/forum/showthread....74-cngpump-com.

      $500 GE home vra ? Most GE washing machines in mass production cost well over $500.

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      • #4
        Re: New CNG pumps on the market.

        Originally posted by Lakewood90712 View Post
        #2 Bauer is high end equipment , #4 "Simpkins" using a custom package Coltri compressor with remote panel, looks very good , but like somewhere north of $15,000 , #7 Cngpump , has a long running thread http://cngchat.com/forum/showthread....74-cngpump-com.

        $500 GE home vra ? Most GE washing machines in mass production cost well over $500.
        it seems like a hose and receptacle cost at least 500 dollars. Add on another 500 if you want an inline breakaway.
        If you found t he lowest cost scuba compressor on the market and added 1000 to the price that might be the starting point for the cheapest cng compressor

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        • #5
          Re: New CNG pumps on the market.

          As a reminder, SCUBA compressors are not suited for CNG use but as karl points it the pricing for such compressors would be a benchmark for what the least expensive real-deal CNG compressor would cost.

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          • #6
            Re: New CNG pumps on the market.

            If we drove more, We would have no problem spending $5,000 on a quality compressor. Financing with the vehicle would make it more palatable however. Since my payback is so long, and we don't need any vehicles, We will wait, watch, and learn all we can. When my wife retires we will want a nice new vehicle that will meet all our travel needs including pulling a small travel trailer. I need all the possibilites for my blog too. Would appreciate any recommendations along my learning process. I don't know how GE/Westinghouse/ Eaton came up with the $500 goal but they seem to be sticking with it. I am worried about local local regs, and room in my garage. Would rather have a secure, ventilated outdoor cabinet on the end of my garage. Hope temperature and humidity is not a problem. Have not checked into local regulations either.

            Answered some of my own questions:http://www.cngpump.com/shoppingcart/...r-hour%29.html
            $5995+250+mandatory filter+ shipping+installation. Dealers listed. So is this better than BRC Fuelmaker? How does it compare, reliability, maintenance, etc.?
            Last edited by Ron Wagner; 02-03-2013, 12:14 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: New CNG pumps on the market.

              Ron, The trouble with the compressor you are looking (the link) at is- it has been talked about for over 5 years and no one seems to have one. Aparently it is coming if it isn't just vaprorware as suggested.

              BRC FM now (as of this month) has a new "smart" model of the Phill specifically for outdoor install only, at a lower price point. It eliminates some of the fluff of the standard Phill. I would recommend installing a coalescing filter with it.(as I always do) You don't drive a lot so it will likely fill your needs.

              BRC Fuel Maker is aggressively addressing issues that came with the assets purchased and making leaps forward with quality. Contact Dual Fuel Systems in Naperville 800-3374264. They are your IL distributor.

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              • #8
                Re: New CNG pumps on the market.

                I think that if I was just joe blow who gos to and from work and not a whole lot else and had public fueling close by I would wait for a 6 mounths or a year as I am hearing of a lot of new stuff in the pipeline. and some of it is really cool.

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                • #9
                  Re: New CNG pumps on the market.

                  Originally posted by Lakewood90712 View Post
                  #4 "Simpkins" using a custom package Coltri compressor with remote panel, looks very good , but like somewhere north of $15,000
                  The Simpkins is American made. They are using a WEH fueling nozzle on their fueling post.

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                  • #10
                    Re: New CNG pumps on the market.

                    Originally posted by philips100 View Post
                    The Simpkins is American made. They are using a WEH fueling nozzle on their fueling post.
                    I stand corrected.

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                    • #11
                      Re: New CNG pumps on the market.

                      Can you share?

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                      • #12
                        Re: New CNG pumps on the market.

                        Ron, A little off topic, no cng within 25 miles ?, but www.altfuelprices.com shows lots of lpg near you at about $2 gallon. It does take more than a gallon of lpg to = a gallon of gasoline, but a conversion costs less. LPG tanks are a fraction of a cng tank cost. With so much natural gas now in production, a big by-product is LPG. The US is awash with propane, and is exporting a lot. Cheap fuel , no compressor needed.

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                        • #13
                          Re: New CNG pumps on the market.

                          Thanks Amfuel.

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                          • #14
                            Re: New CNG pumps on the market.

                            The first thing to know about the 'GE/Eaton' thing is that it wasn't their idea. They are doing this because they are each getting multi-million dollar Federal government grants (Anyone thinking Solyndra here? I am.). The 'goal' of the program is a home VRA that costs "1/10th" of what's available now and fill a passenger car from empty in 1 hour (translation, about 8gge/hr). That would be an amazing leap in technology, especially in a year or two. We put a man on the moon, but I doubt we can make an 8gge/hr compressor for $500 in 2015. If they do it, they will sell thousands, to SCUBA divers! So, it's not on the market, not even close, hasn't even been worked on yet. Just $6M of your tax dollars (or, more realistically, borrowed dollars) given to GE and Eaton. Will anything useful come of it? I doubt it.

                            Next is the business of 'spending money' on a home VRA. Whatever you spend on a piece of hardware like this, you have to look at what it will be worth when you sell it. If you buy a VRA used for $3k and sell it for $3k when you're done then it didn't cost you anything (except installation/repair/maintenance costs and whatever else you could have done with the $3k during that time).

                            Regulations: Phill is a 'home appliance' approved by the American Gas Association. It is no different legally from a gas dryer. When a licensed contractor put our Phill in we pulled a permit to install a new appliance. It was easy, except of course that the inspector had never seen one before so we showed him the manual that had the approval information and it was done. It should be that easy anywhere in the US.

                            Convenience: True, CNG cars aren't close to being 'all purpose.' Some areas have commercial stations, most have none. You can't buy a CNG car that will do everything (long trips, towing, hauling lots of people and things). In the 'new car' department there are only the Honda Civic and a few approved conversions. It's great for some trips (which for us includes most of California and parts of Nevada and Utah) and daily driving, but not beyond that. You have to experience the convenience of fueling at home to appreciate it.

                            Phill: One bad thing about Phill, though. It's deadly slow. More like 1/3 gge/hr than 1/2 because of long drying cycles. Really seems to take forever sometimes. I think the newer versions may have shorter drying cycles which would increase the fill rate slightly.
                            02 GX
                            01 GX
                            03 Crown Vic
                            06 GX
                            Home Fueler

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                            • #15
                              Re: New CNG pumps on the market.

                              Interesting..

                              I still say the old technology of Fuelmaker products namely the C3, FM4 and FMQ series are better and more reliable than the Phill.
                              Agreed, they no longer make the C3 and FM4, but modules are readily rebuilt/refurbished..

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