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  • WANTED - Bi-fuel Suburban

    Looking for a bi-fuel Suburban... criteria:

    Requirements:
    MUST be fully functional for both fuel systems
    MUST have tank(s) expiration no sooner than 2017
    MUST pass CNG system inspection and have more than 2 years left on current sticker
    MUST have all 3 rows of seating and cargo area available
    MUST NOT have CNG tanks in the cargo storage area

    Preferences:
    OEM bi-fuel system is better
    Lower Mileage is better
    Geographic location: closer to northeast is better

    Vehicle will be used in the northeast, so no interest in HOV stickers.

    Please PM me.
    -Bill

  • #2
    Re: WANTED - Bi-fuel Suburban

    What year would you like?
    Cal Editor aka A.J.
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    • #3
      Re: WANTED - Bi-fuel Suburban

      Originally posted by wagnewvt View Post
      Looking for a bi-fuel Suburban... criteria:

      Requirements:
      MUST be fully functional for both fuel systems
      MUST have tank(s) expiration no sooner than 2017
      MUST pass CNG system inspection and have more than 2 years left on current sticker
      MUST have all 3 rows of seating and cargo area available
      MUST NOT have CNG tanks in the cargo storage area

      Preferences:
      OEM bi-fuel system is better
      Lower Mileage is better
      Geographic location: closer to northeast is better

      Vehicle will be used in the northeast, so no interest in HOV stickers.

      Please PM me.
      -Bill
      Not trying to discourage you but when I started reading your post I couldn't help but think your looking for a needle in a hay stack, but the further down I read your really looking for a needle in a stack of needles. Let me explain. First there are ZERO OEM conversions done for SUV's all are aftermarket. OEM's did cars,trucks, and vans. Most converted SUV's were done here in Arizona under a state incentive program from 1999-2001, The year is important because it does not get you pass your tank pre-requiset of 2017. Most of the conversions were performed by a company called AZ Star and as far as I know 100% of their conversions included the 3.5 GGE tank inside the vehicle behind the third row seat.

      You can certainly convert what you are looking for. We've done plenty. And up to 10 gge's will fit in the spare tire well so long as your Suburban isn't a 2500. In fact I have been doing this long enough to advise you not to hold your breath for something like this. If this is really your needs your going to have to build it yourself. You may be waiting years for something liek this to pop up on the used market.
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      2000 GMC Yukon XL bi-fuel
      1999 International 4700 dual-fuel
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      • #4
        Re: WANTED - Bi-fuel Suburban

        Originally posted by CNG MOTORS View Post
        First there are ZERO OEM conversions done for SUV's all are aftermarket.
        Thtas real funny stuff.
        You need to do research before you post
        Impco has systems for GMT-900's an not just truck.
        Cal Editor aka A.J.
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        • #5
          Re: WANTED - Bi-fuel Suburban

          Everything CNGMotors has said is correct. You are looking for a needle in a haystack. And caleditor, what CNGMotors is saying is that you can not go to the GM dealer and order a Chevy Suburban with a CNG system. The Impco system is aftermarket. If we are misstaken, then please post your source.
          Jared.
          Mountain Green, Utah
          2003 CNG Cavalier
          2003 CNG Silverado 2500HD

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          • #6
            Re: WANTED - Bi-fuel Suburban

            Originally posted by Highmarker View Post
            Everything CNGMotors has said is correct. You are looking for a needle in a haystack. And caleditor, what CNGMotors is saying is that you can not go to the GM dealer and order a Chevy Suburban with a CNG system. The Impco system is aftermarket. If we are misstaken, then please post your source.
            You can come into our dealership and order up a CNG certified Suburban if it has the following emissions Engine Group

            We are doing an Avalanche soon for a customer




            BTW all GM OE systems are Impco's amd they are installed at the Impco factory
            Cal Editor aka A.J.
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            • #7
              Re: WANTED - Bi-fuel Suburban

              OEM means Original Equipment Manufacturer (I'm sure you know this). So, when an Impco/CNG part needs to be replaced, do you go to GM for the part or Impco? And why hasn't GM advertised the Suburban like they have their 2013 trucks?
              Last edited by Highmarker; 05-08-2012, 06:18 PM.
              Jared.
              Mountain Green, Utah
              2003 CNG Cavalier
              2003 CNG Silverado 2500HD

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              • #8
                Re: WANTED - Bi-fuel Suburban

                Originally posted by Highmarker View Post
                OEM means Original Equipment Manufacturer (I'm sure you know this). So, when an Impco/CNG part needs to be replaced, do you go to GM for the part or Impco? And why hasn't GM advertised the Suburban like they have their 2013 trucks?
                I go to the parts department at the dealership and I get a part with a GM part number on it for the GM Van or Truck that Impco converted at the Impco plant and that was sold at the GM dealer.

                GM isn't selling Siburbans, but soon you will see a Tahoe Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
                Cal Editor aka A.J.
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                • #9
                  Re: WANTED - Bi-fuel Suburban

                  A few weeks ago I had to change out a regulator for a bad pressure sensor because GM olny list the assembly. I guess I need to send you pictures. The part came dirrectly from Impco's Union City plant, but it had a GM part number
                  Cal Editor aka A.J.
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                  • #10
                    Re: WANTED - Bi-fuel Suburban

                    Originally posted by caleditor View Post

                    GM isn't selling Siburbans
                    So it sounds like the Suburban is not an OEM. It is an Impco aftermarket with the same parts as the OEM van/truck. Complicated I know. And good news about the Tahoe. That is great, finally an SUV.
                    Jared.
                    Mountain Green, Utah
                    2003 CNG Cavalier
                    2003 CNG Silverado 2500HD

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                    • #11
                      Re: WANTED - Bi-fuel Suburban

                      Originally posted by Highmarker View Post
                      So it sounds like the Suburban is not an OEM. It is an Impco aftermarket with the same parts as the OEM van/truck. Complicated I know. And good news about the Tahoe. That is great, finally an SUV.
                      You must not understand how things work. Not sure how far back I should go. Maybe all the way back to the wheel?
                      Impco has a complete OE system for a GMT-900. Do you understand what that means?
                      Impco has a new system for a new Tahoe that is a GMT-900 and this system has all of the tank mounts. This will be an OE system
                      This GM OE system fits a family of engines and is certified for that engine group. The Tahoe and Suburban are very similar in construction. One is just longer

                      What do you mean by OEM?
                      GM farms out all of its CNG vehicles to Impco like how it farmed out sunroofs and convertibles to ASC, so the vehicles are not Manufactured with CNG. They are all Original Equipment Manufactured as gas vehicles and then converted to CNG
                      Cal Editor aka A.J.
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                      • #12
                        Re: WANTED - Bi-fuel Suburban

                        The guy is asking for a CNG Suburban.
                        If he is looking for a new Suburban we can do it for him. If he is looking for one a few years older we can do that also.
                        Last edited by John Mitton; 05-09-2012, 06:58 AM.
                        Cal Editor aka A.J.
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                        ASE L1 Certified since 1994
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                        • #13
                          Re: WANTED - Bi-fuel Suburban

                          Originally posted by caleditor View Post
                          The guy is asking for a CNG Suburban.
                          Why are you posting all this BS in this thread?
                          If he is looking for a new Suburban we can do it for him. If he is looking for one a few years older we can do that also.

                          I get that Impco is converting for GM now and so it's a OEM conversion like the old Fords and GFI. OK. But the guy is clearly looking for used Suburban already converted is what he stated. And like you said and like I was telling him he will have to get one converted. I know you can convert one for him, I can convert one for him, ALOT of people can convert one for him. I would argue if someone brought you a used Suburban to convert, even using a Impco system if it was actually still an OEM conversion. Not saying it can't be done we average a conversion a week. Already done Avalanches and Tahoes. I drive a CNG Avalanche now, My daughter drives a CNG H2.

                          Apparently this option is available now for SUV's where was this option prior to this year? in 2005 and before when there where OEM conversions and GM had a branded GM Alternative Fuels where was the SUV option then. Or how about back in the 90's when GFI converted for Ford and GM where was the SUV option back then?

                          I have sold thousands of used CNG vehicles for the past 12 years. All we sell is CNG vehicles. I have never come across an OEM converted SUV. That is until now with this Impco marriage.

                          I'm not going to argue if Impco is considered an OEM conversion or not, but I will say this I can order a kit from Impco and put it on my vehicle does that make it an OEM conversion? Better yet what if I put the Impco system on a Ford is this an OEM conversion too? See where I'm getting at. Here's a big list of Ford vehicles: IMPCO SITE

                          As an Independent dealer I can gain access to closed GM sales and purchase units still on their MSO's if I converted this unit with an Impco kit can't I consider it a OEM conversion? If you don't believe I can get into closed sales, ask Eric R. how many closed Honda sales I've gotten into. I'm sure he's still trying to figure out how I get so many GX's on MSO's.
                          Last edited by CNG MOTORS; 05-08-2012, 07:46 PM.
                          sigpichttp://WWW.CNGMOTORS.COM
                          SAVE TIME. SAVE MONEY. SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT.

                          2003 Hummer H2 bi-fuel
                          2000 GMC Yukon XL bi-fuel
                          1999 International 4700 dual-fuel
                          2007 Chevy Avalanche bi-fuel

                          FMQ2-36 Fuelmaker w/ 24 GGE cascade

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                          • #14
                            Re: WANTED - Bi-fuel Suburban

                            A week
                            They pay me 20 hour to convert Bifuels and 10 for a dedicated. I bend all the lines and make the needed brackets and shields
                            Cal Editor aka A.J.
                            Lead Calibrator at PCM Calibrators
                            ASE Master Certified since 1988
                            ASE L1 Certified since 1994
                            ASE F1 & A9
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                            • #15
                              Re: WANTED - Bi-fuel Suburban

                              Wow... its as if I was testing for a gas leak with a match!

                              Gents, I didn't mean to start an argument about the definition of "OEM". Thank you all for the education though. What I should have stated was that I was looking for an EPA-approved, fuel-injected system (similar to what is in my 2004 bi-fuel Cavalier).

                              caleditor, I'm looking for something used. Can I view your inventory online somewhere?

                              I also have the following vehicles to trade in/sell: 2003 Envoy XLT w/ 3rd row and L6 engine, 2002 Olds Bravada also w/ L6 engine.

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